What’s it Going to Take? – Low Wages and the Lack of Affordability in Hawaiʻi | Program

What’s it Going to Take? – Low Wages and the Lack of Affordability in Hawaiʻi | Program


WE HEAR AND TALK ABOUT THIS
ALL THE TIME. PRICES GOING UP WHILE WAGES
LAG BEHIND. AND HOUSING COSTS THAT ARE OUT
OF REACH. RENT JUST KEEPS GOING UP.
IT’S JUST MORE DIFFICULT. ONE BEDROOM IS $1,200.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT SOMEBODY ON A MINIMUM WAGE IS
MAKING, IT’S JUST TOUGH. BUT, THERE IS NEW EFFORT UNDERWAY TO CHANGE THE STATUS QUO.
JOIN THE CONVERSATION ON LOW WAGES AND THE LACK OF
AFFORDABILITY IN HAWAIʻI. TONIGHT’S LIVE BROADCAST AND LIVESTREAM OF WHAT’S IT GOING TO TAKE? ON INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAIʻI START NOW. [INTRO MUSIC] ALOHA AND WELCOME TO INSIGHTS
ON PBS HAWAIʻI…I’M DARYL HUFF.
MORE AND MORE THESE DAYS HAWAIʻI RESIDENTS EXPRESS
FEARS THAT OUR MIDDLE CLASS IS FEELING SQUEEZED. THE VERY
PEOPLE WHO WERE ONCE THE BACKBONE OF THE COMMUNITY –
WHO BELIEVED THAT IF THEY WORKED HARD AND SAVED THEIR
MONEY THEY COULD CREATE A BETTER FUTURE FOR THEIR
CHILDREN NOW BELIEVE THAT FUTURE IS MOST LIKELY ON THE
MAINLAND. FEWER JOBS OFFER A LIVING
WAGE. HOMES ARE NOT AFFORDABLE. AND MANY OF THOSE
BEING BUILT ARE PRICED FOR THE LUXURY MARKET.
DATA GATHERED BY THE HAWAIʻI COMMUNITY FOUNDATION’S
CHANGE FRAMEWORK PAINT A CLEAR PICTURE THAT SOMETHING
NEEDS TO BE DONE. WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR
PARTICIPATION IN TONIGHT’S SHOW. YOU CAN EMAIL, CALL OR
TWEET YOUR QUESTIONS. AND YOU’LL FIND A LIVE STREAM OF
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PAGE. NOW, TO OUR GUESTS.
ERIN KANNO UEHARA IS OWNER AND PRESIDENT OF CHOCO LEA, A
LOCAL GOURMET CHOCOLATE COMPANY IN MANOA VALLEY. SHE
WAS BORN AND RAISED IN MILILANI, CENTRAL OAHU, IS
MARRIED WITH TWO YOUNG CHILDREN AND LOVES DANCING
HIP-HOP, JAZZ AND CONTEMPORARY STYLES.
SARAH TOCHIKI IS THE BAND DIRECTOR AT CHIEFESS
KAMAKAHELEI MIDDLE SCHOOL IN LIHUE, KAUAI AND THE DIRECTOR
OF THE KAUAI COMMUNITY COLLEGE INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC
PROGRAM. SHE EARNED A MASTER OF MUSIC EDUCATION AT BOSTON
UNIVERSITY AND WAS BORN AND RAISED ON OAHU.
SUMNER LACROIX IS PROFESSOR EMERITUS IN THE DEPARTMENT OF
ECONOMICS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF HAWAIʻI-MANOA AND A
RESEARCH FELLOW WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF HAWAIʻI
ECONOMIC RESEARCH ORGANIZATION.
AND SEAN KAMALANI RAPOZA, AN OAHU NATIVE WHO GREW UP IN
KAILUA. HE IS A GRADUATE OF MARYKNOLL SCHOOL AND
CURRENTLY WORKS IN A WAREHOUSE. HE HAS A
13-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER, LOVES TO SING AND PLAY MUSIC AND
DESCRIBES HIMSELF AS A PEOPLE PERSON.
>>Daryl: LET ME START OFF WITH AARON.
TWO YOUNG KIDS. WHEN YOU SEE ALL OF THIS
STUFF, TO YOU GET DEPRESSED? LOOK AT THE FUTURE OF THOSE
TWO KIDS, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT?
>>WHEN I LUGE AT MY TWO KID, THIS IS THE HOPE FOR THE
FUTURE ACTUALLY. WHERE WE’RE IN A CRISIS WHERE
WE’RE WORKING TO MAKE IT BETTER FOR THEM.
THEY’LL PROBABLY COME UP WITH BETTER IDEAS BY THE TIME
THEY’RE OUR AGE INTO.>>Daryl: YOU’RE A SMALL
BUSINESS OWNER N THIS ECONOMY, HOW IS IT GOING?
>>IT’S GOING GREAT. AND IT IS ALSO GOING GREAT
BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN BLESSED AND WORKING REALLY HARD.
IT’S NOT JUST GREAT BECAUSE IT’S GIVEN TO YOU GREAT.
>>Daryl: YOU HAVE TO WORK REALLY HARD.
>>YES.>>Daryl: WITH THIS SMALL
BUSINESS, ARE YOU ABLE TO AFFORD THE LIFESTYLE YOU WERE
HOPING FOR?>>I THINK WHAT I WAS HOPING
FOR IS KIND OF MORE THE WORK THAT I WANTED TO DO IN THIS
WORLD. AND THE KIND OF FAMILY I WANT
TO RAISE. I’M DOING THAT.
BASED ON WHAT I’M ABLE TO DO WITH FINANCES AND THE
BUSINESS THAT I HAVE. IF I MEASURE IT IN TERMS OF THE
HOUSE I WANT TO LIVE IN, OR THE LUXURIES I WOULD LIKE TO DO,
THEN NO, I WOULDN’T SAY THAT NECESSARILY.
I MIGHT BE DOING WHAT I WOULD HOPE TO.
BUT I AM HAPPY IN DOING WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT TO ME.
IN RIFE RIGHT NOW.>>Daryl: CONGRATULATIONS.
>>THANK YOU.>>Daryl: WAREHOUSE.
WE HEAR WAREHOUSE. DON’T THINK OF HIGH WAGES.
HOW MUCH DO YOU MAKE HOW DOES THAT WORK IN YOUR LIFESTYLE IN
HOW DO YOU LIVE?>>I’M VERY BLESSED.
THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT I’VE HAD, LIKE YOU SAID, I WORK AT
A WAREHOUSE. IT’S NOT THE MOST PAY THAT YOU
CAN MAKE, BUT I FIND THE MEANS TO GET BY.
THERE’S BEEN A FEW NIGHTS WHERE, FEW DAYS, WHERE I HAD
TO, I COULDN’T EAT BECAUSE I HAD TO PAY MY BILLS.
AND YOU KNOW, JUST TRYING TO FIND THE FINE BALANCE OF I
GUESS, BEING SUCCESSFUL AT LIFE IS PRETTY INTIMIDATING,
VERY HARD. I’M VERY BLESSED.
>>Daryl: YOU ALSO HAVE YOUR OUTLETS.
>>YES.>>Daryl: WHICH IS?
>>I LOVE TO SING. I LOVE TO PLAY MUSIC.
I’M AN ENTERTAINER AND A PEOPLE PERSON.
I LOVE ENGAGING PEOPLE. AND JUST POURING INTO PEOPLE.
>>Daryl: SAME QUESTION I ASKED AARON.
YOU’VE GOT A 13-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER.
ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT HER FUTURE AND HER ABILITY TO STAY
HERE?>>YES.
LIVING, TRYING TO FIND AFFORDABLE LIVING HERE IS
GETTING HARDER AND HARDER EACH AND EVERY YEAR.
THE COST OF LIVING GOES UP EVERY YEAR.
AND THE AMOUNT OF PAY THAT WE RECEIVE, IT JUST DOESN’T
REFLECT THE –>>Daryl: THERE’S NO
CONNECTION BETWEEN WHAT PEOPLE MAKE AND WHAT IT COST
TO LIVE.>>EXACTLY.
>>Daryl: IS YOU’VE BEEN RENTING.
HOW IS THAT? HOW IS FINDING A RENTAL IN
HONOLULU?>>YOU KNOW, I LIVE WITH MY
STEP-BROTHER AND HIS WIFE AND HIS DAUGHTER.
AND IF IT WASN’T, IF I DIDN’T HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY, I
DON’T KNOW WHERE I WOULD BE LIVING RIGHT NOW.
I WOULDN’T.>>Daryl: LIVING WITH FAMILY.
STORY OF THE TOWN.>>YES.
>>Daryl: LET ME ASK YOU. WHAT IS YOUR EXPERIENCE BEEN?
YOU WENT AWAY FOR SCHOOL. AND THEN CAME BACK.
WAS THAT A HARD DECISION TO MAKE, TO COME BACK?
, I LOVE HAWAIʻI. I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE.
I WANTED TO BECOME A BAND DIRECTOR AND COME BACK HERE
AND GIVE BACK TO OUR COMMUNITY AND TEACH KIDS, MAKE THEM INTO
MUSICIANS THAT REALLY LOVE MUSIC AND BECOME GREAT PEOPLE
THAT ARE THEN GOING TO COME BACK TO OUR COMMUNITY AND IT
SHOULD BE A CYCLICAL THING. BUT I CAN SAY MY FIRST, WHEN
I FIRST GOT THE JOB ON KAUAI, HAD NO PLACE TO LIVE.
AND SO WHEN I ARRIVED ON THE ISLAND, THE ONLY PLACE THAT I
COULD FIND, BECAUSE THERE’S SUCH A LOW INVENTORY OF PLACES
TO LIVE, WAS A CONVERTED GARAGE THAT WAS MADE INTO A
STUDIO APARTMENT, THAT WAS $1,200 A MONTH.
WHICH WAS MORE THAN ONE OF MY PAYCHECKS.
SO GO TO COLLEGE, THEY TELL YOU GOING TO GET A GREAT JOB,
GRADUATE. FIND A GREAT JOB.
HAVE THIS GREAT LIFE. THEN IT WAS LIKE, OKAY, I
DON’T KNOW IF I’M GOING TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR EVERYTHING
THAT I NEED TO WITH THE AMOUNT THAT I’M MAKING AS A BRAND NEW
TEACHER? DOES IT AFFECT YOUR DECISIONS GOING INTO THE
FUTURE? LOOK AT TEACHER SALARY,
HOUSING SALARY. MIGHT YOU BE TEMPTED TO DO
LEAVE.>>$67,000 IN LOW INCOME IN
OUR STATE. HALF THE TEACHERS IN THE STATE
ARE TECHNICALLY KNOW INCOME THAT MAKE LESS THAN THAT KIND
OF DIFFICULT.8 MY SISTER ALSO A TEACHER.
LIVES IN THE STATE OF WASHINGTON.
MAKES A THOUSAND DOLLARS MORE A MONTH THAN I DID IN
TAKE-HOME PAY. IN THE SEATTLE AREA.
HAS ONLY A THIRD OF THE EXPERIENCE THAT I DO.
IT’S TEMPTING TO GO, MAYBE I’LL GO LIVE IN SEATTLE FOR A
LITTLE BIT. GO LIVE WITH MY SISTER.
I CAN PAY OFF A BUNCH OF MY MORTGAGE.
I CAN HAVE THIS GREAT LIFE. AND ENJOY LIVING ON THE
MAINLAND. THEN MAYBE I’LL BE READY TO
COME BACK TO HAWAIʻI WHEN I CAN ACTUALLY AFFORD IT.
BUT I LOVE MY COMMUNITY. AND I LOVE KAUAI AND BEING
ABLE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE KID LIVES.
HOW CAN DO THAT IF YOU’RE HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT PAYING
FOR THE $8-GALLON OF MILK.>>Daryl: IS LOVE ENOUGH?
>>WELL, I MEAN, I’VE LIFTED IN HAWAIʻI SINCE I WAS 25
YEARS OLD. FIRST JOB AFTER GRADUATING
FROM UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON.
JUST SOMEONE — I DOUBT I EVER EVER LEAVE HAWAIʻI.
I LOVE IT HERE. LOVE THE PEOPLE.
UNIVERSITY OF HAWAIʻI GREAT SCHOOL.
WONDERFUL FACULTY. DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMICS THAT
HAS JUST REALLY FANTASTIC STUDENTS AND FACULTY.
WONDERFUL THING IN MY LIFE. I RETIRED FROM UNIVERSITY 3
YEARS AGO. VERY ACTIVE IN RESEARCH
PROJECTS. FEW WEEKS AGO H A CHANCE TO GO
OUT TO WEST OAHU MAKE A PRESENTATION ON NEW BOOK ON
HAWAIIAN ECONOMIC HISTORY. IT WAS NICE BEING BACK WITH
GROUP OF STUDENTS AGAIN. STUDENTS AT UNIVERSITY OF
HAWAIʻI WEST OAHU WERE REALLY ENTHUSIASTIC.
GREAT TO PRESENT TO THEM. AFTERWARDS, A LOT OF THEM CAME
UP TO ME, WHAT CAN DO WITH THIS DEGREE?
STUDENTS HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT.
>>Daryl: WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME A NEW PROFESSOR WAS HIRED
IN YOUR DEPARTMENT?>>WE’VE HAD REGULAR HIRES.
>>Daryl: OKAY.>>REALLY HAVE.
>>Daryl: LET ME ASK. OVER THE COURSE OF THESE
YEARS, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY THE MOST IMPORTANT AND/OR
DISTRESSING DEVELOPMENTS IN OUR ECONOMY OR LACK OF
DEVELOPMENTS IN OUR ECONOMY SM.
>>YEAH.>>Daryl: PLACE WHERE WE ARE.
>>WELL, YOU KNOW, HAWAIʻI HAS HAD A ROCKY RIDE SINCE I’VE
BEEN HERE. THE FIRST TEN YEARS WHEN I WAS
HERE, 1980S, TIME OF BOOM AND PROSPERITY.
1990s, TREMENDOUS RECESSION WHILE THE REST OF US BOOMED.
JAPAN FALLEN INTO DEEP DEPRESSION.
SILVER LINING, HOUSES PRICES FELL.
A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO BUY HOMES AND GET BETTER
ACCESS TO HOMES. DIFFICULT PERIOD FOR ISLAND
FAMILIES. 2,000, THROUGH 2007, WAS
ESSENTIALLY A BOOM PERIOD FOR HAWAIʻI. WE TOOK A REAL HIT
IN THE GREAT RECESSION THAT PERIOD 2007 TO ABOUT 2010.
LOST A LOT OF JOBS, INCOME. REALLY ONLY RESTORED THE
INCOME LEVELS OF 2007 TODAY. SO I LOOK AT PERFORMANCE OF
THE HAWAIʻI ECONOMY. VERY INCONSISTENT.
IT’S BEEN DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE BECAUSE DEPENDING
UPON, FOR EXAMPLE WHEN YOU GRADUATED FROM SCHOOL, SOME
PEOPLE COME OUT OF SCHOOLS BEEN BOOM TIME.
DONE REALLY WELL. OTHER PEOPLE, COME OUT OF
SCHOOL, REALLY STRUGGLED FOR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.
>>Daryl: CYCLICAL. WE WERE TALKING EARLIER,
YOU’VE HAD A LOT OF JOBS FROM COMING FROM SCHOOL.
WHEN YOU, WHAT WAS IT LIKE? WERE THERE TIMES WHEN THERE
WAS NOTHING, THEN TIMES WHICH IS A LOT, GOING THROUGH THE
WHOLE CIRCULAR KIND OF THING WE HAVE?
>>IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT. YOU JUST TRY TO FOCUS ON
MAKING IT. AND JUST TRY TO DO THE BEST JOB
THAT YOU CAN.>>Daryl: THE JOBS THAT YOU’VE
HAD, I THINK JUST GIVE ME A LIST.
SOME OF THE PROBLEMS YOU HAD. WHAT DID YOU DO OUT OF HIGH
SCHOOL?>>FIRST JOB WAS SAM GOODY’S.
>>Daryl: GONE.>>GONE.
YEAH. AFTER THAT, I WORKED AT PIZZA
HUT FOR A FEW YEARS. AS A DELIVERY DRIVER.
AND YEAH, JUST MET VARIOUS JOBS.
>>Daryl: DID YOU FEEL LIKE YOU WERE IN CONTROL OR DID YOU
FEEL LIKE YOU WERE ALWAYS WAITING FOR THE NEXT THING TO
COME ALONG THAT YOU HAD TO GRAB AS OPPOSED TO HAVING A
COURSE TO FOLLOW?>>YEAH.
YOU HIT IT ON THE HEAD. IT WAS ALL ABOUT OPPORTUNITY.
WHATEVER OPPORTUNITY PRESENTED ITSELF TO ME, IS I
JUMPED ON IT. AND YEAH.
THAT WAS COURSE OF MY LIFE.>>Daryl: HOW DID YOU END UP
GETTING THIS SMALL BUSINESS? DID YOU — YOU MENTIONED
GOING AWAY TO COLLEGE.>>WENT TO UNIVERSITY OF
HAWAIʻI.>>Daryl: U.H.?
>>YES. I WENT FROM ACTUALLY GETTING
A DEGREE IN EDUCATION. TEACHER.
ONE THOSE THAT BURNED OUT AND QUIT.
AND 2008. COULDN’T FIND A JOB.
APPLIED FOR ABOUT FIVE STARBUCKS.
DIDN’T GET HIRED. WENT THROUGH ALL KINDS OF JOB
APPLICATIONS, FEDERAL, PRIVATE, STATE.
>>Keahi: YOU COULDN’T GET HIRED?
>>I COULDN’T GET HIRED. I GOT A LOT OF CAN’T DO
ANYTHING WITH THE EDUCATION TO TEACH.
IT WAS REALLY TOUGH. A LOT OF JOBS I LOOKED FOR HAD REAL
SPECIFIC SKILL SETS OR BUSINESS.
I ENDED UP WORKING AT THE UNIVERSITY, ABLE TO GET
MASTERS IN BUSINESS FOR FREE AS PART OF THAT BENEFIT SO
THERE WAS THAT HOPEFUL NEXT JOB I COULD GET ONE DAY, AND
I HAD GREAT LEADERSHIP AT MY WORK SAID, JUST DO IT.
GET AN MBA EVEN THOUGH YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU’RE DOING
IN THE FUTURE.>>Daryl: DID THAT HELP?
DID IT OPEN DOORS OR ACTUALLY SET YOU UP SO YOU KNEW WHAT TO
DO WHEN IT COMES STARTING A BUSINESS?
>>NO. IN THAT MOMENT, WASN’T
PLANNING ON STARTING A BUSINESS.
ON THE SIDE, TEACHING DANCE. THAT FLOURISHED.
REALLY WELL TEACHING STUDENTS.
HAPPY DOING THAT. BUT.
>>Daryl: ONE-ON-ONE KIND OF INSTRUCTION?
OR LIKE A CLASS?>>I WORKED WITH A STUDIO.
SUBCONTRACT TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS TO TEACH ARTS IN
SCHOOL. LONG JOURNEY, BUT BASICALLY
PATH OF LIFE LED ME THROUGH MEETING SOMEBODY, TURNED OUT
TO BE A RELATIVE MAKING CHOCOLATE IN HIS HOME.
TAUGHT ME THE SKILL. HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH THAT
FAMILY. TURNED INTO, WHY DON’T YOU OPEN A SHOP OR MAKE
THIS A BUSINESS. I DON’T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT.
>>Daryl: WE’LL TALK MORE ABOUT THE SMALL BUSINESS
STRUGGLE. HEARING WHAT THESE FOLKS HOW
THESE FOLKS GOT TO WHERE THEY ARE TODAY, WHAT WE TAKE, DO WE
TAKE AWAY FROM THAT?>>WELL, I THINK HAWAIʻI IS A
WHOLE MALANGE OF STORIES. SEE TONS OF DIFFERENT STORIES
IN HAWAIʻI. PEOPLE COME HERE GOOD JOBS.
MAKE GOOD SALARIES. BECOME RICH.
I DON’T THINK THAT’S THE STANDARD STORY OF THE PERSON
IN HAWAIʻI TODAY. PEOPLE WHEN AT THE COME OUT OF
SCHOOL, REGARDLESS WHETHER THEY HAVE THEIR DEGREE OR NOT,
WONDER WHERE AM I GOING TO FIND A JOB THAT BRINGS ME ON
A JOB LADDER SO I’M PROGRESSING UPWARDS IN THE
WORLD. CONSTANTLY HEAR FROM STUDENTS
AN PEOPLE GRADUATING FIVE OR SIX YEARS LATER.
WORRIED THERE’S NOT GOING TO BE A JOB LADDER, NO REAL PLACE
I’M GOING WITH MY CAREER. HAWAIʻI A TOUGH PLACE FOR
THAT. MOSTLY BECAUSE WE HAVE A
LIMITED NUMBER OF INDUSTRIES AND LIMITED NUMBER OF JOB
PROSPECTS.>>Daryl: STARTING TO GET
QUESTIONS ALREADY FROM JOHN IN KANEOHE, COMMENT, HOUSING
COST, LOSING MORE LOCALS. HAWAIʻI WILL NO LONGER BE
HAWAIʻI. NEED TO MAKE CORRECTIONS.
WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR KEEP LOCAL A RESIDENTS HERE?
GAP BETWEEN SUPERRICH AND DESPERATELY POOR IN HAWAIʻI.
YOU SEE PEOPLE, YOU SEE FAMILIES THROUGH YOUR JOB.
DO YOU SEE REAL DRAIN OF PEOPLE, PEOPLE LEAVING,
CHOOSING TO RELIEVE KAUAI OR IN YOUR OTHER CIRCLE?
>>AARON IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE. PEOPLE BORN AND RAISED HERE,
WHO I CAN SEE BEING EXCELLENT CLASSROOM TEACHER.
SUCH A DIFFICULT JOB FOR REALLY WHAT IS NOT WORTH IT
FOR THE PAY. EVEN THOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE ON
PAPER WE MAKE GOOD DECENT AMOUNT.
YOU CONSIDER THE COST OF LIVING, SECOND FROM THE
BOTTOM HERE IN OUR STATE. WE WOULD TEACHER SHORTAGE
CRISIS. WE HAVE A THOUSAND CURRENT
OPEN POSITIONS WHICH MEANS WE’VE GOT ABOUT 60,000
STUDENTS THAT ARE NOT EVEN, NOT BEING TAUGHT BY A
QUALIFIED TEACHER SOME POINT IN THEIR SCHOOL DAY.
IT’S DIFFICULT TO BE ABLE TO TELL A STUDENT, YOU’RE GO TO
GO TO SCHOOL, WORK REALLY HARD, GO TO COLLEGE, THEN NOT
QUITE SURE WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO YOU AFTER.
I THINK OUR BIGGEST EXPORT RIGHT NOW ISN’T PINEAPPLES.
IT’S OUR MOST EDUCATED CHILDREN, MOVING TO THE
MAINLAND. AND THEY KNOW THEY CAN FIND
BETTER OPPORTUNITY. COST OF ONE BEDROOM STUDIO
APARTMENT IN HAWAIʻI, THEY CAN GET A FIVE BEDROOM MANSION
ON THE MAINLAND. SO WHY STAY HERE?
>>Daryl: ARE YOU TEMPTED TO GO TO THE MAINLAND?
YOU’VE GOT A DAUGHTER HERE. STAY CLOSE TO.
MUST BE VERY DIFFICULT.>>YES.
ACTUALLY, I’VE THOUGHT ABOUT MOVING AWAY.
I HAVE RELATIVES I’VE HAD TO MOVE AWAY BECAUSE OF LIVING
SITUATION. AND RISING COST OF LIVING
HERE. I GUESS THE THING THAT KEEPS
ME HERE IS LIFE LIFTED HERE MY WHOLE LIFE SO THIS IS ALL I
KNOW. LITTLE BIT OF FEAR BEHIND IT.
NOT BEING TOTALLY SURE THAT I’M GOING TO BE ABLE TO
SURVIVE ON THE MAINLAND BY MYSELF.
WHEREAS YOU KNOW, I HAVE PEOPLE THAT I CAN LEAN ON OVER
HERE. MY FAMILY MEMBERS, MY
AUNTIES, UNCLES, MY MOM, STEPDAD, MY SISTER, MY
BROTHER. AND IF IT WASN’T FOR THESE
PEOPLE, I WOULDN’T KNOW WHAT I WOULD BE DOING RIGHT NOW.
>>Daryl: WHAT ABOUT OTHER FRIENDS OF YOURS, YOU’VE HAD
FRIENDS MOVE AWAY?>>YES.
GOOD FRIEND MARK, HAD HE TO MOVE AWAY BECAUSE HE COULDN’T
MAKE ENDS MEET HERE. MY FRIEND CHRISTIAN WHO IS
ALSO EDUCATOR, HAD TO MOVE AWAY BECAUSE HE JUST COULDN’T
SUPPORT HIS FAMILY. LIVING ON THE BIG ISLAND RIGHT
NOW. AND HE LOVES IT THERE.
>>Daryl: IS THERE INTERISLAND MOVEMENT?
BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMY TOO? OR IS IT PRIMARILY TO THE
MAINLAND?>>PRIMARILY TO THE MAINLAND.
THE JOB OPPORTUNITIES NEIGHBOR ISLANDS, THEY’RE
MORE NARROW THAN THEY ARE HERE.
IT’S PRIMARILY TOURISM ON NEIGHBOR ISLANDS NOW.
IF YOU WENT BACK TO THE 1950S, PRIMARILY AGRICULTURE.
NEIGHBOR ISLANDS MADE THE SHIFT ON OVER.
NOT LOTS OF OTHER INDUSTRY EMPLOYMENT THERE.
LITTLE BIT OF TECH ON MAUI. LITTLE BIT OF TECH ON KAUAI.
NOT THE JOB OPPORTUNITIES ARE NOT AS GOOD ON THE NEIGHBOR
ISLANDS AS ON OAHU. MUCH BETTER ON OAHU.
>>Daryl: AARON, WHEN YOU, WHAT ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCE
WITH YOUR FRIENDS AND STUFF? HAVE YOU LOST FRIENDS WHO
MOVED TO THE MAINLAND?>>I HAVE HAD FRIENDS THAT GO
TO THE MAINLAND. FRIENDS THAT ARE THINKING
ABOUT IT. PART OF THE DISCUSSIONS YOU
HAVE WHEN YOU GO OUT TO DINNER.
SOMETHING WE ALL TALK ABOUT ALL THE TIME.
>>Daryl: ANY FRIENDS ACTUALLY GO AND WHAT DO THEY TELL YOU
THEIR LIFE IS LIKE OVER THERE?>>THEY LOVE T THEY SAID THEY
FOUND GREAT JOBS. ARE ABLE TO FLY HOME AND
VISIT. ONLY THING THEY COMPLAIN
ABOUT IS THE COST OF THE TICKET TO COME VISIT.
SO THEY CAN’T DO IT AS OFTEN. BIG HOMES.
ADJUSTED TO A DIFFERENT LIFE UP THERE.
AND THING THEY MISS THE MOST IS FAMILY.
BUT THEY SAY THEY COME HOME ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR.
EVERYBODY IS SO BUSY ANYWAY, PEOPLE STOP AND MAKE TIME SO
SEE THEM. WHEN THEY IT COME HOME.
>>Daryl: DIFFICULT.>>I ONLY WANT IT NOTE THAT IF
YOU KNOCKED ON A HOUSE IN SEATTLE, OR SAN FRANCISCO, OR
EVEN LOS ANGELES, OR SAN DIEGO, AND ASK PEOPLE, ARE YOU
FACING A HIGH HOUSING COSTS? THEY WOULD SAY, WE FACE REALLY
HIGH HOUSING COSTS. I SHOULD NOTE THE HOUSE BEING
PRICES ARE ACTUALLY HOUSER IN AS LONG AS THAN HERE.
HIGHER IN SAN FRANCISCO THAN THEY ARE HERE.
SEATTLE, SEATTLE IS A BIT BEHIND BUT SEATTLE HOUSING
PRICES HAVE ALMOST DOUBLED IN RECENT YEARS.
RAPIDLY CATCHING UP. IN MANY OF THOSE BIG CITY ON
THE WEST COAST, SAME TYPES OF PROBLEM WES FEEL HERE WHERE
PEOPLE ARE SAYING, WE’RE REALLY FACING PROBLEMS WITH
VERY HIGH HOUSING COSTS.>>Daryl: YOU HEAR ALL FOUR OF
KNOWS CITYS ARE BETTER ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES.
MUCH MORE DIVERSIFIED CITIES. IF YOU HAVE A PARTICULAR TYPE
OF SKILL, MORE LIKELY TO FIND INDUSTRY IN ONE OF THOSE BIG
CITIES ABLE TO USE THE SKILL. RELATIVELY NARROW SET OF
INDUSTRIES. TO USE SKILLS.
>>REASON WHY MY SISTER LIVES IN SEATTLE, HER HUSBAND IS
ENGINEER AND THERE WAS SO MUCH MORE OPPORTUNITIES THAN THERE
WOULD BE HERE. MAKE TWICE MAYBE THREE TIMES
AS MUCH. HOUSE IS MORE EXPENSIVE,
THEY’RE MAKING MORE MONEY.>>Daryl: METRO AREAS ARE MUCH
BIGGER. MORE CHOICES OF WHERE YOU CAN
LIVE. TO MATCH YOUR INCOME.
>>THAT’S TRUE. AGAIN, IF YOU TALK TO A SCHOOL
TEACH UNDER SAN FRANCISCO, GET THE STORY OF USED TO BE
ABLE TO LIVE IN SAN FRANCISCO. AND ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO, HAD TO
MOVE OUT TO SUBWAY OUTSIDE OF OAKLAND.
DRIVE HOUR 15 MINUTES. NOW HOUR 45 MINUTES.
FURTHER AWAY. LIFE IS A COMMUTING
NIGHTMARE. I’M NOT TRYING TO TRIVIALIZE
THE PROBLEMS.>>Daryl: I UNDERSTAND.
>>Guy: I AM NOTING THAT THIS IS OF THERE’S A LITTLE BIT OF
BIG CITY PROBLEM WITH THE UNITED STATES.
HERE, DIFFERENT THINGS. THAN YOU HAVE ON THE WEST
COAST. MOST OF THOSE CITIES ARE HIGH
HOUSING COSTS AND RELATIVELY HIGH WAGES.
HERE, RELATIVELY LOW WAGES. ONLY A COUPLE INDUSTRIES
WHERE WAGES ARE ABOVE THE NATIONAL AVERAGE.
MAINLAND TOURIST INDUSTRY.>>Daryl: HEAVILY UNIONIZED.
>>HEAVILY UNIONIZED ONE REASON.
GET TO ANOTHER QUESTION HERE. GOES TO KAMALANI’S LIFE.
WHAT CAN HAWAIʻI DO TO REDUCE SERVICE JOBS SO DEPENDENT ON
MILITARY AND TOURISM, CAN IMPROVING PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND
U.H. SYSTEM CREATE BETTER JOBS?
YOU’RE THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY NOW.
>>THAT’S CORRECT.>>Daryl: WHAT’S THAT LIKE?
GOOD FOR YOU NOW?>>WELL, I WORK FOR LOCAL
DISTRIBUTER. IT’S ALL BASED UPON THE TREND
OF EVERYTHING. AND WHAT IS, WHAT IS BEING
BUILT, AND.>>Daryl: HIGHRISES GOING UP
PROBABLY GOOD FOR YOUR COMPANY.
>>YES. YES. WHEN IT’S SLOW, YOU KNOW, I
MAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY — EXCUSE ME, LITTLE
BIT LESS MONEY. WHEN IT’S BUSY, I MAKE A
LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY.>>Daryl: THEY SEND YOU HOME IF
THE HOURS ARE SHORT?>>YEAH.
IF IT’S NOT BUSY, THEY WON’T BE ABLE TO PAY ME.
>>Daryl: QUESTION. INTERESTING.
WE TALK ABOUT INCOME INEQUITY.
DO PANELS SUPPORT GUARANTEED BASIC INCOME IN HAWAIʻI TO
PROTECT WORKERS FROM JOB LOSS DUE TO AUTOMATION?
TWO QUESTIONS IN THERE. ARE WE LOSING JOBS BECAUSE OF
AUTOMATION? WE DON’T HAVE MUCH
MANUFACTURING.>>WELL, I THINK AUTOMATION IS
SOMETHING THAT WEAR SEEING EVERYWHERE.
WE’RE SEEING EVERIER. JOBS SUBJECT TO AUTOMATION
JOBS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE INCOME SPECTRUM.
CAN YOU LOOK AT YOUR JOB, IF SOMEONE SAYS CAN YOU DESCRIBE
IS THAT JOB, TART TO DESCRIBE THE JOB IN A CERTAIN NUMBER OF
STEPS IT’S THAT’S A TYPE OF JOB THAT CAN BE PROGRAMMED
COMPUTERIZED AND ROBOT COULD START TO DO.
THE JOBS BOTTOM END OF THE JOB DESCRIPTION, BOTTOM I MEAN
PAY THE LEAST, OFTENTIMES THOSE ARE VERY LABOR
INTENSIVE SERVICE JOBS DIFFICULT TO AUTOMATE.
JOBS AT THE UPPER END OF THE DISTRIBUTION, REQUIRE A LOT
OF JUDGMENT, EXPERTISE, KNOWLEDGE, ARE ALSO MORE
DIFFICULT TO AUTOMATE.
IN THE MIDDLE, AN LIST JOBS, PBS, DID A COUPLE OF
SPECIALIST REALLY FANTASTIC SHOWING HOLLOWING OUT IN THE
MIDDLE OF THE JOB DISTRIBUTION IN HAWAIʻI.
>>Daryl: DO YOU EMPLOY PEOPLE IN YOUR BUSINESS?
>>UM-HUM.>>Daryl: SO THIS IDEA OF
GUARANTEE BASIC INCOME, HOW DO YOU DECIDE HOW MUCH CAN YOU
PAY PEOPLE?>>HOW DO IDECIDE?
AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IS ALWAYS THE THING THEY AT THE FRONT.
PEOPLE LIKE ME WITH THE SAME NEED, THAT’S OUR GOAL, MAKE
MORE, CUT COSTS TO HAVE A GREATER PROFIT THAT WE CAN ALL
SPLIT AND SHARE IN. THEN IT’S BY PERFORMANCE TOO.
SO I TRAY TRY TO GET EVERYBODY INVOLVED.
A LOT ERR OTHER LOCAL BUSINESSES ARE INVOLVED.
GIVE THE DECISION MAKING AND OPPORTUNITYIES TO SOME OF
THEIR STAFF AND GAIN THEIR TRUST.
IF WE CAN MAKE MORE, WE CAN MAKE MORE.
PEOPLE COME TO THE TABLE WITH IDEAS, WILLING TO PUT THE WORK
INTO IT REAP THE BENEFITS IF YOU WANT A GUARANTEE, SMALL
BUSINESS IS NOT FOR YOU BECAUSE NOTHING IS A
GUARANTEE. YOU GOT TO COME IN, KNOWING
THAT WE ALL GOT TO WORK REALLY HARD AND GET WHAT WAS NEEDED
OUT THERE AND IF NOBODY WANTS IT, WE DON’T HAVE A JOB.
DON’T DO A GOOD JOB WE DON’T HAVE A JOB.
>>Daryl: THERE WAS TALK IN THE LAST LEGISLATURE, TALKED
ABOUT $15 MINIMUM WAGE. BASIC GUARANTEED BASIC INCOME
IS NOT EXACTLY MINIMUM WAGE, BUT IT WOULD BE SAY, OKAY,
THIS IS HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO LIVE HERE.
DO YOU FEEL LIKE GOVERNMENT SHOULD INTERVENE IN THE LOW
WAGE CATEGORY AND GET PEOPLE’S WAGES UP?
>>YES, I DO. YES.
IT’S A STRUGGLE TO MAINTAIN A PROPER LIVING IN HONOLULU,
AGAIN, I’VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT MOVING AWAY BECAUSE I
DON’T MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO LIVE HERE.
>>Daryl: NOW, THERE’S A LOT OF COMPELLING STORES WHICH HEARD
FROM OUR GUEST. STORY ABOUT ONE PUT TOGETHER
BY HIKI NO STUDENTS IN BALDWIN HIGH SCHOOL IN WAILUKU, MAUI.
>>SCHOOL, WORK, HOME, SLEEP, REPEAT.
CHAD, JUNIOR AT HP BALDWIN HIGH SCHOOL, FULL-TIME
STUDENT WITH A PART-TIME JOB AT LOCAL PIZZARIA.
WHO ALSO FINDS TIME TO HELP OUT FAMILY’S BAKERY.
HE BEGAN WORKING TO REPAY HIS GRANDMOTHER FOR THE CAR HE USE
TO THE MAKE DELIVERIES SOMETIMES HAS TO USE EARNINGS
TO HELP WITH FAMILY EXPENSES.>>STRUGGLING ON TOP OF RENT.
PARENTS HAD A FLAT TIRE. NEEDED TO BUY A NEW TIRES.
I HAD 400 IN CASH ON ME PAY MY GRANDMA.
WITH. GAVE TO THEM BECAUSE THEY
NEEDED NEW TIRES. BEHIND ON RENT.
CABLE NEEDED TO BE PAID. ENDED UP GIVING THEM ANOTHER
$800 TO SUPPORT THAT.>>ALONG WITH LOSS OF FREE
TIME, TAKING ON ADDITIONAL JOBS TAKING A O TOLL ON THE
STUDENT’S MENTAL ADD PHYSICAL HEALTH.
COUNSELOR AT BALDWIN HIGH SCHOOL, I SEE MY STUDENTS
TAKING ON THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF HAVING
OUTSIDE OF JOBS, OUTSIDE OF SCHOOLS TO HELP THEIR
FAMILIES TO BRING DOWN COSTS OF LIVING HERE IN HAWAIʻI.
SO SOME OF THEM TAKE THE WEIGHT ON OF HAVING EXTRA JOB
AND ALSO THE BURDEN OF THEIR FAMILY IS NOT HAVING MONEY AND
PLAYS OUT IN DIFFERENT ROLES WHERE THEY MAY BE SUFFERING
FROM DEPRESSION OR ANXIETY IN SCHOOL.
>>HE HAS BEEN A LITTLE LIKE MORE SAD IN HIS EYES.
NOT GOOD. FALL AS SLEEP RIGHT WHEN I SEE
HIM HOME.>>I’M BARELY AROUND HIM ANY
MORE. SOMETIMES HE TAKES ME OUT WITH
HIS CAR. WE GO PLACES.
>>THERE’S BEEN CHANGE. BECAUSE HE’S BEEN STRESSED.
I’VE TALK TO DO HIM TIME TIMES ABOUT IT. WE’VE HAD OUR
TALKS. I UNDERSTAND HE’S STRESSED
OUT AND EVERYTHING. ALL YOU HAVE HIS STRUGGLE.
DEALS WITH A LOT OF STUFF. DESPITE THE STRUGGLES, CHAZ
REMAINS OPTIMISTIC, DETERMINED TO FINANCE HIS
FAMILY AND HIS FUTURE. WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT LIVES.
WE’RE ALL HAVE TO HAVE THAT CERTAIN AMOUNT OF
RESPONSIBILITIES THAT WE HAVE TO DO.
SO I MEAN, MINE IS ONLY REALLY DIFFERS FROM JUST MY
PERSPECTIVE IN THE WAY I SEE IT.
HE IS A CHAMP. GOES THROUGH IT AND STILL GOES
TO WORK EVERY DAY. HAS TO GO PRETTY SOON.
I MEAN, HE’S A WARRIOR.>>THIS IS SKYLER, FROM HP
BALDWIN HIGH SCHOOL, FOR HIKI NO.
>>Daryl: THAT SETS YOU UP FOR A QUESTION.
YOU’RE BOTH A TEACHER AT MIDDLE SCHOOL AND TEACH UNDER
COMMUNITY COLLEGE. DO YOU SEE, IS THAT A COMMON
THING YOU SEE? WHERE YOU’VE GOT KIDS WORKING
JOB IS NOT JUST FOR THEMSELVES BUT TO HELP THEIR FAMILIES?
>>DEFINITELY. IT’S NOT ENOUGH TO HAVE TWO OR
THREE JOBS AS A PARENT TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT YOUR CHILD.
NOW, IF THAT STUDENT WANTS TO BE ABLE TO HELP LIVE IN THE
HOUSE, THEY’RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK TOO.
I HAVE A BAND CALLED KAUAI ISLAND BAND.
STUDENTS FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT SCHOOLS OF PUT THEM
TOGETHER TO TRAVEL. NOT ONLY ARE THINK WORKING
MULTIPLE JOBS AND HAVE TO BE FLEXIBLE SAY, YOU CAN MISSED
SECOND HALF OF REHEARSAL BECAUSE I KNOW YOU’VE GOT TO
WOULD WORK AT BURGER KING OR WHEREVER YOU END UP YOU
WORKING. WE HAVE TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF
THAT AS TEACHERS. BECAUSE STUDENTS ARE
STRUGGLING. KAUAI COMMUNITY COLLEGE JUST,
FOOD BANK ON KAUAI JUST OPENED UP PANTRY FOR STUDENTS
BECAUSE THEY NEEDED ACCESS TO FOOD.
>>Daryl: ON CAMPUS.>>ON CAMPUS.
SO JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF — WE HAVE FOOD DELIVERED
FROM THE FOOD BANK TO OUR SCHOOL TOO.
FAMILIES ARE REALLY STRUGGLING.
AND THE ULTIMATELY, IF THE PARENTS ARE STRUGGLING,
STUDENTS ARE STRUGGLING, MEANS THAT THE TEACHERS HAVE
TO INTERVENE AND HELP OUT. BUT TEACHERS ARE PARENTS TOO.
BIG CYCLICAL THING OF EVERYONE IS STRUGGLING TRYING
TO MAKE ENDS MEET AND HOPING THAT IT WILL ALL WORK OUT IN
THE END. WE JUST KEEP TELLING OUR
STUDENTS WORK HARD, GO TO SCHOOL, MAKE SURE THAT YOU’RE
GETTING GOOD GRADES AND FIND WHATEVER YOU’RE PASSION IS SO
YOU CAN HAVE A BETTER LIFE. THAT’S WHAT WE HOPE FOR.
>>Daryl: THAT STORY WAS ABOUT THE FATIGUE, EXHAUSTION, ON A
KID WHO SHOULD BE LIVING THE MOST EXCITING FUN TIME OF HIS
LIFE. MUST BE HARD FOR YOU TO SEE
THAT.>>IT WAS HEART WRENCHING.
THE SAD, I THINK WHAT’S EVEN MORE SAD IS THAT’S NOT NEW.
SITTING HERE WATCHING THIS AS A TEACHER, GOING, I CAN NAME
12 OTHER KIDS WHO ARE DOING SIMILAR THINGS.
I CAN TELL YOU THE KIDS THAT I HAVE TO PAY FOR, YOU KNOW,
TEACHER SPENDS MONEY OUT OF THEIR POCKETS.
250, $500,000, HALF OF OUR TEACHERS THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS
PUTTING INTO THE CLASSROOM. AS A TEACHER, CAN’T SEE
STUDENT CAN’T GO A FIELD TRIP. I’LL PUT IN 3 BUCKS.
PICKED UP EXTRA SLIPPERS. HERE’S SOME SLIPPERS.
TEACHERS ARE CONSTANTLY MAKING SURE THEIR STUDENTS
ARE OKAY. BECAUSE WE OPEN SEE THEM FROM
7:45 TO 2:00, MAYBE 2:45 EVERY DAY.
WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHAT HAPPENS OUTSIDE OF THE SCHOOL
DAY. WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO MAKE
SURE THEY’RE GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL, EVEN IF IT’S
SLIPPING A COUPLE OF GRANOLA BARS, CAN’T AFFORD TO EAT,
HAVE TO DO.>>Daryl: THANK YOU.
YOU WERE A TEACHER FEW YEARS AGO.
WHAT WAS IT LIKE FOR YOU?>>EXACTLY HOW SHOW DESCRIBED
IT. GET IT EARLY POSSIBLE,
RELIEVE AS LATE AS POSSIBLE. DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO FOR THE
KIDS.>>Daryl: YOU HAVE THE BLUE
COLLAR LIFESTYLE. SEE PEOPLE STRUGGLING.
DO YOU SEE PEOPLE IN YOUR WORLD GOING THROUGH THIS KIND
OF STUFF TOO? ESPECIALLY PARENTS?
>>YEAH. ABSOLUTELY.
EVERYBODY STRUGGLING. VERY REAL THING.
AND WE NEED TO FIND THE SOLUTION FOR THIS PROBLEM.
IT’S LONG OVERDUE. AND I DON’T KNOW WHAT WE’RE
GOING TO DO. MAYBE SUMNER.
>>Daryl: WE SET IT UP FOR YOU. SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS.
>>FAVORITE QUESTION. WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE OF
THE THINGS THAT ANY STATE HAS TO DO, PARTICULARLY TRUE FOR
HAWAIʻI, FOCUS ON THE BASICS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BASICS IN
THIS STATE, LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK.
AND WE’VE HAD THE PROBLEM OF INTENSE TRAFFIC.
I DON’T MEAN TO GET AWAY FROM THE HUMAN POINT HERE.
PROBLEM MUCH REALLY INTENSE TRAFFIC FOR A LONG TIME.
THERE ARE SOME SOLUTIONS.>>Daryl: I CRY IN TRAFFIC ALL
TIME.>>STUFF CAN BE DONE.
NOT DOING IT. IT’S REALLY BASIC THING THAT
WOULD IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE
IF WE STARTED TO DEAL WITH IT MORE SERIOUSLY.
WE’RE NOT. SCHOOL SYSTEM IS BASIC THING.
AMOUNT OF EFFORT PUT FORTH TO TRY TO REFORM AND IMPROVE
PUBLIC SCHOOLS IS QUITE LARGE.
NOT AS IF PEOPLE HAVEN’T TRIED.
ENORMOUSLY DEDICATED PEOPLE, BOARD OF EDUCATION,
INDIVIDUAL SCHOOLS, TEACHERS, PUT IN THE EXTRA
MILE TRYING TO IMPROVE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM HERE.
STILL HAS A WAYS TO GO. I THINK THAT AT TIMES WE GET
DIVERTED BY WHAT I THINK TURNS OUT TO BE RELATIVELY MANINI
THINGS. SMALLEST THINGS THAT WE COULD
PAY LITTLE BIT LESS ATTENTION TO.
MAKE SURE WE FOCUS IN ON THE BASICS.
THINGS LIKE EDUCATION DRIVE PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THEIR
ENTIRE LIFE. EDUCATE THE WORKFORCE IS WHAT
MADE THINGS GO. HAD TO NAME A THIRD BASIC
SETTING THE BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT.
PEOPLE FEEL THEY CAN START A NEW BUSINESS AND THERE’S SOME
CHANCE OF BEING SUCCESSFUL IN NEW BUSINESS AND STATE IS NOT
A IMPEDIMENT TO THAT. PROBLEMMING DEALS WITH
REGULATORY BURDEN BUSINESSES FACE.
QUITE LARGE. IT’S SOMETHING WE TALK ABOUT
ALL THE TIME. WE MADE EFFORTS TO TRY TO
REDUCE IT AND YET, THERE’S CERTAIN THINGS LIKE GETTING A
BUILDING PERMIT AT CITY HALL. STILL CONTINUE.
I LOOK AT THESE THREE THINGS. IMPROVING TRANSPORTATION AT
WORK. SCHOOLS.
MAKING SURE WE HAVE A BETTER BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT.
CAN ALL GET TOGETHER. BETTER BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT
WOULD LEAD TO MORE BUSINESSES.
MORE BUSINESSES LEAD TO BETTER WAGES.
BETTER TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM HERE.
MAKE LIFE A LOT BETTER FOR PEOPLE.
EDUCATION IS JUST THE FOUNDATION OF SOCIETY.
WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE ARE MOVING OR NOT, IT’S REALLY
JUST ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL. CHILDREN OF HAWAIʻI RECEIVE
EARLY GREAT EDUCATION. I THINK WE’RE MOVING IN THESE
DIRECTIONS BUT IN ALL THREE AREAS, TOO SLOWLY.
THESE ARE LONGSTANDING PROBLEMS THAT WE’RE JUST NOT
PAYING ENOUGH ATTENTION TO.>>Daryl: WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM FROM THE TEACHER POINT OF VIEW, OTHER
THAN THAT WAGES FOR TEACHERS, THERE ARE MANY, MANY
DEDICATED TEACHERS HERE. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT SYSTEM,
WHAT DO YOU THINK SHOULD BE BETTER?
I’M ASKING YOU WHAT SHOULD YOU BE TEACHING OR WHAT SHOULD THE
SCHOOLS BE TEACHING THAT THEY’RE NOT TEACHING?
I GOT ONE QUESTION HERE ONE SOMEONE SAYS, A.
I IS GOING TO TAKE UP 50% OF THE JOBS.
AI GOING TO BE TAKE UP 50% OF THE JOBS.
ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. DO YOU FEEL THE KIDS ARE GOING
TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT KIND OF ECONOMY GIVEN WHAT THEY’RE
TAUGHT.>>NO IDEA WHAT TYPE OF JOB
WE’RE PREPARING OUR STUDENTS FOR.
MYSELF AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF MY COLLEAGUES I WORK WITH
AND THROUGH HSTA, LOTS OF FANTASTIC TEACHERS
THROUGHOUT THE STATE, WE ARE NOT TEACHING THEM JUST BASICS
OF READING AND WRITING. TEACHING THEM HOW TO THINK.
WE NEED THEM TO BE ABLE TO ADJUST AND ADAPT.
ONE OF THINGS I’M HEARING WITH THE GROUP IS THAT HAWAIʻI
PEOPLE ARE RESILIENT. YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT IS GOING
TO HAPPEN. DON’T KNOW THE WAY OF THE
ECONOMY IS GOING TO GO. SO TIED TO THE AMOUNT OF MONEY
COMING IN FROM TOURISM. JUST HAVE TO BE RESILIENT AND
MAKE DUE. AND SO WE DON’T KNOW WHAT
WE’RE PREPARING OUR STUDENTS FOR.
WE DO KNOW WE’RE PREPARING THEM TO BE THINKERS,
CREATIVE, I KNOW MYSELF AS A BAND DIRECTOR, I AM, IT
DOESN’T MATTER FOR ME THAT THEY DON’T EVER PLAY THEIR
INSTRUMENT AFTER THEY GRADUATE FROM MIDDLE SCHOOL
OR HIGH SCHOOL. THAT’S NOT THE PURPOSE OF MY
SUBJECT. SUBJECT I TEACH IS HOW TO WORK
HARD, WORK WITH OTHERS, HOW TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN
PROBLEM SOLVE AND GET THAT INSTRUMENT AND MAKE IT
ACTUALLY SOUND LIKE MUSIC.>>Daryl: DISCIPLINED.
>>THAT’S WHAT THE PURPOSE OF WHAT I TEACH IS.
JUST HAPPENS TO BE MUSIC AS THE DISCIPLINE.
SO WE REALLY HOPE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE CAN PREPARE THEM.>>Daryl: MY DAUGHTER WENT
THROUGH IT. I DON’T KNOW THAT SHE’S PICKED
UP HER INSTRUMENT SINCE SHE LEFT.
DID HER A LOT OF GOOD. MY SON FINISHED COLLEGE.
BUT HE’S IN MISSISSIPPI. I’M LIVING EXACTLY WHAT YOU
GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT. WE ARE LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE A
FAMILY THAT COULD AFFORD TO SEND KIDS AWAY TO COLLEGE.
JUST BLESSED. I CAN JUST SEE ARE THEY GOING
TO COME BACK, THEIR JOBS HERE FOR THEM?
ARE THERE JOBS HERE FOR THEM? WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR LIFE.
LET’S TALK ABOUT HOUSING. YOU’VE GOT A SMALL BUSINESS.
WORK HARD. WHAT YOUR HOUSING SITUATION?
IN CAN YOU AFFORD THE KIND OF HOUSE YOU WANT?
>>WELL, YEAH, MY HOUSE IS MY BUSINESS.
WANTED TO LIVE OVER THERE. SO I MADE THE BUSINESS THERE.
IS YOUR BUSINESS OPERATING OUT OF YOUR HOUSE?
>>NO. WE JOKE.
BEGINNING WE WOULD BE THERE FOR LIKE 14 HOURS. MY
HUSBAND AND I. SLEPT ON THE FLOOR.
NOT THE FLOOR, IT’S BENCH. WOODEN BENCH THAT WE SLEPT ON.
>>Daryl: YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND OPERATE THE BUSINESS?
>>NO HELPING ME OUT AFTER FULL-TIME JOB TO GET THE
BUSINESS OFF THE GROUND. DISCUSSION WE HAD TO HAVE
TOGETHER AS A FAMILY, THERE WOULD BE SACRIFICE.
VERY UNCERTAIN. WHAT WOULD COME WITH STARTING
A BUSINESS. WHAT WERE THE PERSONAL
SACRIFICES WILLING TO MAKE. KNOWING THAT IF WE MADE
ANYTHING, CAN WOULD GO BACK INTO THE BUSINESS.
HOW LONG COULD WE DO THAT FOR? SO WE OPTED TO LIVE WITH
FAMILY.>>Daryl: WERE YOU LIVWITH
FAMILY? YES.
>>YES.>>Daryl: TWO CHILDREN IN
PRESCHOOL.>>YES.
>>Daryl: HOW DOES THAT AFFECT YOUR ABILITY TO BUY A HOUSE?
>>I DON’T KNOW. THAT SACRIFICE WE MADE WAS WE
WEREN’T — I WASN’T GOING TO HAVE THE DREAM HOME THAT I
THOUGHT WOULD BE MY OWN HOME. WITH MY OWN PORCH AND GRASS.
THAT KIND OF –>>Daryl: MY OWN GRASS.
>>THE FENCE AND THE THINGS THAT I ENVISIONED.
KIDS WE HAD TO TALK ABOUT IT FIRST.
ARE WE GOING TO HAVE KIDS OR NOT BECAUSE KIDS COST THIS
MUCH TO HAVE. ARE WE GOING IS TO HAVE TWO OR
CLOSE OR TRY TO TIME IT SO ONE IS IN KINDERGARTEN WHEN THE
OTHER ONE IS PRESCHOOL. I MEAN, THESE ARE ALL THE
KINDS OF REAL DISCUSSIONS WE’VE HAD.
WE HAVE WITH FRIENDS NOW. ADVICE WE SHARE WITH EACH
OTHER BECAUSE WE SACRIFICED FOR THE KIDS GO TO PRESCHOOL.
>>Daryl: WHEN YOU LOOK FOR HOUSING, AROUND YOU DECIDED
ULTIMATELY TO LIVE WITH YOUR MOM AND YOUR STEPFATHER, WHAT
CHOICES DO YOU HAVE OUT THERE FOR HOUSING?
HAVE YOU LOOKED? WHAT KIND OF CHOICES ARE THERE
OUT THERE FOR YOU?>>YOU KNOW, I DON’T MAKE
GREAT MONEY. SO THERE AREN’T VERY MANY
OPTIONS FOR ME. I’VE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE.
I’VE LIVED WITH FAMILY AND FRIENDS FOR THE MAJORITY OF
MY LIFE. LIVED WITH FAMILY FRIENDS.
BECAUSE MY BLESSINGS, ABLE TO HAVE A ROOF OVER MY HEAD.
>>Daryl: YOU REALLY SHOULDN’T EVEN SHOPPED?
OKAY, MAYBE YOU MADE THAT CHOICE BECAUSE IT WAS $1,200
FOR A STUDIO APARTMENT. OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT IT’S BASICALLY DIDN’T EVEN HAVE ANY HOPE.
FINDING A PLACE YOU WOULD LIKE TO LIVE.
>>THAT’S CORRECT. WHEN I DID LOOK, THERE WAS
NOTHING, THERE WAS NOTHING.>>Daryl: WHERE ARE YOU WITH
OUR HOUSING SITUATION? AND WHERE DO WE HAVE TO DO
ABOUT THAT?>>SPLIT THE MARKET INTO TWO.
HOUSES AND CONDOS. LOOK AT HOUSES, TALKING ON
OAHU, LAST PRICE, 780, GONE UP OVER 800,000.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME ON OAHU, YOU ASK
COULD THAT EARN P BUY A HOUSE, ONLY 70% OF THE INCOME TO MEET
THE MORTGAGE PAYMENTS, THEY NEED ANOTHER 50% MORE INCOME.
ONLY ONE-THIRD THAT CAN AFFORD TO PURCHASE A HOME.
IN HAWAIʻI. AND A POINT WHERE WE’RE NOT
GOING TO BUILD ANY MORE HOMES. VOCIFEROUS OPPOSITION TO
BUILDING. TWO BIG DEVELOPMENTS.
KOA RIDGE AND MILILANI. THERE’S NOT ONE HO’OPILI, OUT
BY, OUT IN EWA, KAPOLEI. OUTSIDE OF THOSE, DON’T
REALLY SEE ANY MORE BIG HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS COMING
HERE ON OAHU. FIXED SUPPLY OF HOUSING.
INTERNATIONAL DEMAND FOR THE HOUSING.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO NOW ABLE TO TELECOMMUTE, ABLE TO MOVE
HERE AND BUY THE HOUSING STOCK, WHEN WE START BEING AT
AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I DON’T SEE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES BEING
AFFORDABLE. MOVES US TO CONDOS.
THERE THE POTENTIAL TO BUILD UP.
ENDLESS SITES PARTICULARLY ALONG THE TRAIN.
TRAINS ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT. ENDLESS SITES OWNED BY THE
STATE, CITY AND PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS IT’S THAT
COULD BE DEVELOPED INTO HOUSING.
THAT COULD PUT A SIGNIFICANT DENT INTO THE HOUSING CRISIS.
>>Daryl: WE MENTIONED SOMETHING TO SARAH.
YOU WERE HERE, ON KAUAI, HAD THE KAUAI MAYOR HERE.
FEW SHOWS AGO. AND HE WAS VERY GUNG HO ABOUT
TAKING A COUPLE OF PARKS BECAUSE THEY HAD A
REQUIREMENT THAT IF YOU BUILD A SUBDIVISION, YOU HAD TO
BUILD A PARK. HE SAID, THERE’S PLACES WHERE
THEY’VE GOT ALL OF THESE PARKS.
AND NOT ENOUGH HOUSES. I’M GOING TO TAKE ONE OF THOSE
PARKS AND I’M GOING TO PUT HOUSES ON IT.
AND IT GOT SHOT DOWN LIKE THAT.
ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS PEOPLE ARE MAKING IS SCHOOL
PROPERTIES. PARTS OF SCHOOL PROPERTIES.
>>STANLEY CHANG, SENATOR, ALWAYS TALKS ABOUT BUILDING
HUGE HIGHRISES ON MCKINLEY HIGH SCHOOL.
THE PROPERTY. BUILD THEM NICE NEW SCHOOL
ALONG WITH THE HIGHRISES. WHAT DO YOU THINK, HOW DO YOU
THINK PEOPLE WILL RESPOND WHEN KIND OF STUFF COMES IN
FRONT OF THEM? HOW FRUSTRATING IS IT FOR YOU
IN YOUR $1,300 IMAGINE MOVED UP FROM THERE, WHERE YOU’RE
LIVING?>>WELL, NO MATTER HOW MUCH
INVENTORY IS AVAILABLE, HOW IS ANYBODY WITH THE HIGH COST
OF RENT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SAVE UP A DOWN PAYMENT TO EVEN
CONSIDER IT? WE HAD DEVELOPMENT ON KAUAI
RIGHT NEAR THE AIRPORT THAT WAS CONSIDERED AFFORDABLE
HOUSING ONLY AVAILABLE TO LOCAL RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO
PURCHASE FOR PROBABLY 2 YEARS.
AND I THINK THE CHEAPEST HOME WAS SOMETHING LIKE $550,000.
REASONABLE. CONSIDERING.
BUT THEY HAD TO END UP OPENING UP THE MARKET TO ANYBODY.
NOT JUST FIRST HOMEOWNERS AND ET CETERA BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T
HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO BUY THE HOMES IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER THAT.
>>I THINK DOWN PAYMENTS ARE THE BIG PROBLEM.
IF YOU ACTUALLY START — FOCUSING ON THE
MEDIAN FAMILY. ALWAYS FAMILY BELOW THAT
CAN’T AFFORD. IF YOU LOOK AT DOES THE FAMILY
IN HAWAIʻI WITH THE MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME, DO THEY HAVE
ENOUGH MONEY TO SERVICE THE MORTGAGE FOR A CONDOMINIUM
AND PAY THE MAINTENANCE FEE? THE ANSWER IS YES.
ABOUT 140% OF WHAT’S REQUIRED.
MORE THAN ENOUGH MONEY. DIG DEEPER, DON’T HAVE THE
DOWN PAYMENT. SUPPOSE WE TAKE LIKE THAT
CONDO IS $400,000. 10% DOWN PAYMENT.
TYPICALLY ABOUT 7 TO 10%. ON A LOT OF THESE FIRST TIME
HOME BUYERS. 10% DOWN PAYMENT WOULD BE
$40,000 SAVINGS. AGAIN, SOME PEOPLE LUCKY
ENOUGH TO HAVE PARENTS THAT HAVE MONEY AND SOME OF THAT
MONEY CAN BE OVER TO THEM AND FINDS EASY TO GET IN.
ONCE YOU’RE IN, SET UP. MOVE ON FROM THIS.
PEOPLE HAVE DIFFICULTY ACCUMULATING DOWN PAYMENTS,
LARGE NUMBER, DIFFICULTY GETTING ACCESS TO PURCHASING
A HOME. I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THE
STATE NEEDS TO LOOK AT MUCH MORE CLOSELY.
IT’S NOT JUST A MATTER OF BUILDING MORE.
PART OF IT TOO IS BUILDING MORE, BUILDING MORE UNITS IN
THE RANGE THAT ARE PRICED IN THE RANGE THAT PEOPLE WANT TO
BE IN. WHAT THAT REQUIRES IS
BUILDING MORE STRIPPED DOWN UNITS.
UNITS THAT ARE NOT QUITE AS FANCY.
DON’T HAVE A POOL. OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING ISN’T
QUITE AS GOOD LOOKING, MAYBE THERE’S NOT A LANAI.
UNIT THAT IS WELL BUILT. AND PEOPLE CAN AFFORD TO BE
IN.>>Daryl: WE’VE GOT A QUESTION
HERE THAT I THINK IS INTEREST. MOST PEOPLE OPPOSE MONSTER
HOMES, ISN’T THAT A SOLUTION FOR THE HOUSING CRISIS?
ARE WE OVERREACTING TO PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT TO BUILD
HOUSING? YOU’RE IN PALOLO, RIGHT?
MONSTER HOMES IN PALOLO.>>YES, THERE ARE.
>>Daryl: WHEN YOU SEE THEM, DO YOU THINK, OH, THEY MADE A
HOUSING SOLUTION OR DO YOU THINK THAT’S SOME OUTSIDE
DEVELOPER COMING IN AND TAKING HOUSING AWAY FROM
LOCAL PEOPLE?>>FAMILY STICKS TOGETHER.
THAT IS THE THAT THE NUMBER ONE IN HAWAIʻI.
OHANA MEANS EVERYTHING. AND THAT’S HOW WE’RE ABLE TO
SURVIVE.>>Daryl: PEOPLE BUILD BIG
HOUSE, YOU SUSPECTED THAT’S A NUMBER OF THE PEOPLE FROM THE
SAME FAMILY LIVING IN THAT BIG HOUSE?
>>ASSUMING.>>Daryl: MANOA, RIGHT?
SOME MONSTER HOMES? WE ALWAYS HEAR FROM PEOPLE IN
MANOA ABOUT MONSTER HOMES.>>KAIMUKI.
>>Daryl: DO YOU THINK, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD YOU’RE LIVING
IN, WOULD YOU BE OKAY IF ALL OF A SUDDEN, A LOT MORE OF THE
PROPERTIES GOT A LITTLE MORE DENSE?
>>I THINK THE ONLY CONCERN IS THE NOT — I LOOK AT THAT AS
SAYING PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY CAN DO.
HOW CAN THEY SHARE THEIR RESOURCES, HOW CAN FAMILY,
BLESSED SAME WAY. I HAVE FAMILY THAT HAVE
SUPPORTED US. SO I DON’T REALLY LOOK AT
THAT. IT’S NOT A, TO ME, CATEGORIZED
AS MONSTER HOME ISSUE. IT’S MORE OF RESPECT ISSUE.
WITH WHO IS LIVING THE HOUSE AND HOW ARE YOU TREATING YOUR
NEIGHBORS, WHETHER YOU’RE IN A MONSTER HOUSE OR SINGLE
FAMILY HOUSE OR CONDOMINIUM. HOW YOU INTERACT WITH PEOPLE.
OUTSIDE OF YOUR HOME MUCH AND WHEN YOU’RE IN YOUR HOME AND
RESPECTING PEOPLE. NOISE YOU MAKE OR THE THINGS
THAT YOU DO. THAT’S WHAT MATTERS MORE.
IN MY PERSPECTIVE. THAN THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE.
OR THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THERE.
LUCKILY PEOPLE WORKING 2 OR 3 JOB, NEVER HOME ANYWAY.
>>Daryl: RIGHT. SHIRLEY AT 20 YEAR SCHOOL
TEACHER FROM KAPOLEI. WHETHER WILL IT GET BETTER SO
TEACHERS WILL HAVE TO AFFORD A HOME NOT HAVE TO WORK 2 OR
3 JOBS. TURN THIS QUESTION BACK TO
THIS IDEA OF HOUSING AT SCHOOL.
DO YOU THINK THAT THAT WOULD HELP IF THE SCHOOLS STARTED
PROVIDING HOUSING FOR TEACHERS?
>>THERE’S DEFINITELY POTENTIAL FOR THAT TO BE IN
ASSISTANCE TO TEACHERS. I SEE THAT MORE OF ASSISTANCE
TO TEACHERS FIRST COMING INTO THE PROFESSION.
THAT’S THE REAL BIG STRUGGLE. ONCE YOU HAVE A FAMILY, KIDS,
OTHER RESPONSIBILITIES, WE ALREADY SPEND MORE TIME AT
SCHOOL THAN WHAT IS CONTRACTUALLY WHAT WE’RE
SUPPOSED O TO DO. I CAN SEE IT BEING DIFFICULT.
I DON’T EVEN LIVE IN MY HOUSE PRACTICALLY.
I’M ALWAYS IN THE BAND ROOM. EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT MY CAR
LOOKS LIKE SO THEY TEXT ME, WHY ARE YOU AT SCHOOL STILL?
KIND OF THING. BECAUSE WE JUST DO WHAT WE CAN
FOR THE STUDENTS. AND I COULD SEE TEACHERS WANT
TO GO LIVE ON CAMPUS. BUT I THINK LOT MORE TEACHERS
WOULD BE ABLE TO COMFORTABLY AFFORD TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A
NICE PLACE TO LIVE IN.>>Daryl: INCORPORATE TRADES
INTO THE CURRICULUM SO STUDENTS CAN PROVIDE FOR
THEMSELVES UPON GRADUATING? WHAT DO YOU FOLKS THINK ABOUT
THAT? AT THE SAME TIME, ALWAYS
HEARING YOU GOT TO GET THAT COLLEGE DEGREE.
THAT’S THE PATH TO SUCCESS. MAYBE WE SHOULD CAPITULATE TO
THE ECONOMY. CONSTRUCT AND ALL OF THAT.
I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A WIDE VARIETY OF OPPORTUNITIES THAT
KIDS CAN CHOOSE FROM. TRYING TO PUSH KIDS DOWN
PARTICULAR TRACKS ISN’T NECESSARILY RIGHT.
USEFUL TO THINK THAT WE DO NEED ELECTRICIANS.
AND PLUMBERS IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY.
EVEN TODAY, THAT CAN STILL SOMETIMES REQUIRE
COMMUNITIES COLLEGE DEGREE. A LOT OF COMMUNITY COLLEGES
OFFER MORE VOCATIONAL THINGS. THE NUMBER ONE THING WE HAVE
TO DO AS EDUCATORS IS TO OFFER VARIETY OF OPPORTUNITIES TO
STUDENTS. SO THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY’RE
INTERESTED IN. DO WHAT THEY’RE INTERESTED
IN, THEY’RE GOING TO LEARN. IT’S NOT JUST ENOUGH TO LEARN.
IT’S ALSO THEY ALSO HAVE TO PICK UP VARIETY OF SKILLS.
BEING ABLE TO PICK UP VARIETY OF SKILLS, GIVES YOU
CONFIDENCE TO PICK UP MORE SKILLS.
SKILLS YOU LEARN TODAY WON’T NECESSARILY THE SKILLS YOU
NEED TO TOMORROW. GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE ON.
IF YOU LEARN A COMPUTER LANGUAGE TODAY, THE ONE THAT
YOUR JOB WILL PROBABLY NEED IS SOMETHING ELSE.
WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS LEARN HOW TO LEARN COMPUTER
LANGUAGES. OR YOU COULD REALLY PUT THAT
OFF ON ALMOST EVERY OTHER THINGER THAT NEEDS DONE DO
WHAT THEY’RE INTERESTED IN AND PICK UP SOME SKILLS THAT
ARE USEFUL.>>Daryl: CONCEPT WE’VE GOT
QUITE A FEW CALL. GETTING A THE LOT OF CALLS.
THANKS FOLKS. GOVERNING BODIES AND COUNTIES
LOOKING OUT FOR THEMSELVES AND DEVELOPERS.
MAKE RULES AND LAWS THEY PROFIT FROM.
OPENING UP SMALL BUSINESS IS NOT WORTH IT.
30% TAX SHOULD BE EXEMPT FOR 3 YEARS. I DON’T KNOW WHAT
THE 30% TAX IS. BUILDING OFF THE GRID IN THE
BIG ISLAND ONLY AFFORDABLE PLACE YOU CAN DO THAT.
ISSUE IS NOT LOW WAGES. THE ISSUE IS HIGH TAXES.
HOW MUCH IS OUR GOVERNMENT A PROBLEM?
ASK YOU, DO YOU PAY A LOT IN TAXES? I DO.
WE’VE HAD 4% ON EVERYTHING WE BUY.
FOLKS HAVE LOW INCOMES, ARE PAYING MORE TAXES ON DOLLAR
THAN PEOPLE WITH HIGHER INCOMES.
WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK IS THIS IS THE GOVERNMENT IN YOUR WAY?
GOT OUT OF THE WAY, THINK GOVERNMENT IS THE ANSWER TO
THESE THINGS? I WANT TO ASK AARON AND SARAH
THIS FIRST. THEN LET SUMNER GO.
WHAT DO YOU THINK? SMALL BUSINESS PERSON, DO YOU
FEEL LIKE YOU HAD GO THROUGH AN AWFUL LOT TO GET YOUR
BUSINESS GOING, WAY MORE THAN YOU SHOULD HAVE?
, I FEEL LIKE IT DOES TAKE A LOT.
I DON’T FEEL LIKE MY STORY IS THAT UNIQUE.
STARTINT A BUSINESS OR TEACHER OR JUMPING JOBS
EVERYBODY IS GOING THROUGH THE SAME THING.
WHAT’S IT GOING TO TAKE? REALLY IS, WHAT IS IT GOING TO
TAKE? I DON’T THINK I STOP TO, YOU
DON’T HAVE THE TIME TO STOP AND POINT FINGERS BECAUSE IT
DOESN’T REALLY DO ANYTHING. SO I’M KIND OF JUST HERE TO BE
PART OF THE SOLUTION TOO.>>Daryl: PROBABLY NEEDED,
SELLING FOOD. YOU NEEDED TO GO THROUGH THE
HEALTH DEPARTMENT. IN A SEMI COMMERCIAL DISTRICT
HAD TO GO THROUGH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
YOU’RE COOKING?>>YEAH.
>>Daryl: ALL OF THAT, EQUIPMENT AND STUFF.
THAT MUST HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLE RED TAPE.
>>YEAH. IT’S TREMENDOUS DIFFICULT
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU WALK INTO IT WITH PASSION TO DO A
MISSION AND NOT GO IN THINKING, OR HAVING THAT
MENTORSHIP OR ASKING FOR THAT MENTORSHIP PRIOR, SO YOU’RE
FIGURING IT OUT ALONG THE WAY. AND I THINK THAT’S WHY GOING
THROUGH IT IS WHAT GIVES ME KIND OF THAT INSPIRATION TO
KEEP GOING. BECAUSE I SEE HOW HARD IT IS
AND I WANT TO ALSO HELP PAVE THE WAY FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO BE
ABLE TO DO IT BECAUSE, MAN.>>Daryl: WHAT WAS THE ONE
HARDEST THING? IF YOU COULD HAVE A MAGIC WAND
AND GET RID OF ONE THING ABOUT THE DIFFICULTY OF STARTING A
BUSINESS, WHAT WOULD IT BE? DO YOU FILL YOUR OWN TAX FORM?
>>HARDEST THING IS WORKING WITH THE EMOTIONS OF PEOPLE
WHO ARE DEALING WITH REAL PROBLEMS OF HUNGER OR FINDING
A JOB OR FIGURING THEMSELVES OUT OR FIGURING OUT WHO THEY
ARE AS A PERSON, HOW TO JUST EVEN HAVE CONFIDENCE IN
THEMSELVES, SOMETIMES, I THINK THAT’S THE GREATEST
STRUGGLE. EVERYTHING ELSE WE CAN KIND OF
FIGURE OUT. THERE’S RESOURCES.
AND WE CAN ASK, BUT WHEN SOMEBODY HAS A PERSONAL STORY
IN FRONT OF YOU, I DON’T KNOW WHAT TO DO A LOT OF THE TIME.
EXCEPT SAY I’M HERE TO TRY TO SUPPORT YOU.
>>Daryl: WHAT TO YOU ANY? DO YOU THINK THE GOVERNMENT IN
HAWAIʻI IS THE ANSWER? IS IT THE PROBLEM?
>>WE, THE THING IS THIS, I WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT.
>>Daryl: I KNOW.>>TAXES THAT PEOPLE PAY PAY
FOR MY SALARY, THEY PAY FOR THE BOOKS, THEY PAY FOR THE
BUILDING, THEY PAY FOR THE ELECTRICITY, AND I CAN REALLY
CONFIDENTLY SAY WE DON’T HAVE ENOUGH IN SCHOOLS.
ANYBODY THAT THINKS THAT THE SCHOOL BUDGET IS HUGE, WHICH
IT IS HUGE, TAKE UP MAJORITY OF STATE’S ANNUAL BUDGET, BUT
JUST WALK AROUND A SCHOOL FOR THE DAY.
ASK SPECIAL EDUCATION TEACH FOR THEY HAVE ENOUGH PARAS IN
THE CLASSROOM. HOW MANY BOOKS KIDS HAVE.
IF THE BATHROOMS WORK AND TOILET PAPER IN THEM.
WE NEED TAX DOLLARS FOR. WE DOESN’T KNOW WHERE THE TAX
DOLLARS COME FROM. HOPEFULLY THERE’S SOME MAGIC
TREE SOMEWHERE WE CAN GET THEM OFF OF.
THAT’S MY, — SO TORN BECAUSE I KNOW THAT TAXES PAY FOR WHAT
WE NEED. AND IF EDUCATION IS GOING TO
BE THAT GREAT EQUALIZER THAT WE CAN PROVIDE OUR STUDENTS,
AND PROVIDE THEM SKILLS WE NEED WE NEED TO FIND THE MONEY
TO DO SO. SHOULDN’T BE THAT THE SCHOOLS
IN THE RICH AND AFFLUENT AREAS HAVE THE BEST OPPORTUNITIES
AND SCHOOLS MOST SUPPORTED WE SHOULD BE SUPPORTING EVERY
SCHOOL, EVERY STUDENT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE STATE
AND THAT’S GOING TO TAKE MONEY.
>>Daryl: START WITH THIS QUESTION.
DO YOU HAVE HOPE? ARE YOU EXCITED ABOUT THE
FUTURE OR WORRY ABOUT THE FUTURE?
>>I HAVE TO BE HOPEFUL. I HAVE TO HOPE FOR CHANGE.
AND AARON WAS SAYING, I BELIEVE, FIRMLY BELIEVE, THAT
IT’S GOING TO TAKE THE FUTURE GENERATIONS TO SOLVE
PROBLEMS.>>Daryl: SUMNER, I SAID
HAWAIʻI LET YOU ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.
BUT — I SAID I WOULD LET YOU ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS BUT
YOU ONLY HAVE 30 SECONDS. TELL ME THE ONE THING, MAGIC
ONE THING THAT YOU WOULD DO, ONE THING.
>>DEALING WITH GOVERNMENT. OR ANYTHING.
TO FIX THIS.>>WELL, I THINK WE DO NEED TO
SOLVE THE HOUSING CRISIS. RIGHT UP THERE AT THE TOP OF
THE AGENDA. IF YOU LOOK AT HOW EXPENSIVE
HAWAIʻI IS, COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES OF THE MAINLAND,
INDEX, ABOUT 20% MORE EXPENSIVE.
THIS IS HONOLULU. 20% MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE
AVERAGE MAINLAND CITY MUCH NOT SAN FRANCISCO, PROBABLY
MORE LINCOLN NEBRASKA, AVERAGE U.S. CITY.
20 MORE EXPENSIVE. IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE GOODS
EXCEPT HOUSING, ONLY ABOUT 7 TO 10% MORE EXPENSIVE.
>>Daryl: THANK YOU. DONE.
GOOD JOB. I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR
JOINING TONIGHT FROM HOME AND WE WANT TO THANK OUR GUESTS,
ERIN KANNO UEHARA, OWNER OF CHOLO LEA IN MANOA VALLEY,
OAHU SUMNER LA CROIX, ECONOMICS
PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF HAWAIʻI AT MANOA.
SARAH TOCHIKI, BAND DIRECTOR AT CHIEFESS KAMAKAHELEI
MIDDLE SCHOOL IN LIHUE, KAUAI.
AND SEAN KAMALANI RAPOZA, A WAREHOUSE WORKER AND
SELF-DESCRIBED PEOPLE PERSON.
NEXT WEEK ON ANOTHER SPECIAL EDITION OF INSIGHTS.
WE CONTINUE OUR SERIES “WHAT’S IT GOING TO TAKE?”
WITH A LOOK AT THE THE HEALTH OF HAWAI?I?S
HAWAIʻI’S PEOPLE AND ITS ENVIRONMENT. WE HOPE YOU JOIN
US THEN. I’M DARYL HUFF FOR INSIGHTS ON
PBS HAWAIʻI – A HUI HOU!

7 thoughts on “What’s it Going to Take? – Low Wages and the Lack of Affordability in Hawaiʻi | Program

  • one bedroom in my area is $3,600. would love for it to be only $1,200. for the betterment of the warehouse worker, someone please tell him to work on his speaking by erasing the use of "ummmm" and "aaahhh". thx

  • The only way to make it livable in Hawai'i is to make locals as important to the state as tourists are. We need to lower the cost of housing, and the only way to do that is to pass a law where only Hawaiians and 3+ generation locals are allowed to buy fee simple and everyone else can only buy leasehold. As it stands right now, mainlanders and foreigners are buying up the housing inventory and creating a monopoly of ever raising housing prices. They control the inventory and prices and that prices locals out of both the buying and rental market. They know that a small inventory of housing means they can easily dictate the cost because theres always going to be someone to pay it… usually new residents moving in from the mainland.
    Also, for people priced out of homes its still not a good option to buy an apartment or condo because the maintenance fees are damn near half the mortgage, you might as well be paying for a house when you factor in the monthly maintenance fees. Add to that one of the highest electric bills in the country, high grocery prices thanks to the jones act, and theres really no options aside from living with family, moving to the mainland or living on the streets.

  • Interesting that Washington State figures into two of the people's lives. I was born and raised in Hawaii, brought my children up there, and had hoped to stay there the rest of my life. Circumstances (mostly financial) made that unlikely after my children were grown. I moved to Washington State where I can actually support myself doing what I love, teach piano. Eventually all my children followed me here. They are all doing well and can afford to visit home frequently. There are so many people from Hawaii in this area that there are many Pacific island festivals during the summer and Hawaiian clubs to connect with people from home and to experience the feeling of Aloha and Ohana that I miss here. That being said, I visited home for the first time in 25 years last Fall and realized that I could never move back. I can do so much more here than I could there and my life is far less stressful. However, I do hope to be able to visit again and enjoy the experience. Mahalo for such an important discussion.

  • Excellent Work, I compleatly enjoyed it!, See this New Album 'Monish Jasbird – Death Blow', channel link www.youtube.com/channel/UCv_x5rlxirO-WKjLIyk6okQ?sub_confirmation=1 , you can try 🙂

  • Need to educate about fractional reserve banking and what it does to inflation and cost of living. Fiat currency has a 100% failure rate historically.

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