House Environment and Natural Resources Policy Committee 2/24/20

House Environment and Natural Resources Policy Committee  2/24/20


>>I’M>>GOING TO GET A COMMITTEE. UNDER WAY HERE. THE ALICE TAN AND A WITH A HAD A REQUEST TO. OF 5; 3; 3; 6; 3; 8; AND THAT BILL FIRST ON OUR AGENDA TODAY AND A. WE’LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT BILL. I THINK WE HAVE A CHANCE AT THAT ABLE TO WELCOME AND PLEASE TELL US ABOUT YOUR BILL.>>THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR AND MEMBERS THING ME UP.>>THE MEDIA TO DO WITH MY LEG IT FOR ME FOR NOT SO. I’M GOING TO I’M GOING TO MOVE HOUSE FILE 3; 3; 6; 3; TO BE IN FRONT OF US AND THAT BE ASKED TO LEAVE. RE REFERRED TO THE GENERAL REGISTER.>>MISTER CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE HAS FIRED 2; 3; 6; 3; IS A SIMPLE BILL THAT WOULD REMOVE THAT CURRENT REQUIREMENT THAT SNOWMOBILES BE REGISTERED WHEN THEY’RE BEING TRANSPORTED; IT’S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS FOR OPERATION WOULD STAY THE SAME. THIS BILL WAS BROUGHT TO YOU BY A CONSTITUENT AND AFTER LOOKING AT THE STATUE I AGREE WITH HIM THAT THIS REQUIREMENT IS A LITTLE ONEROUS AND UNNECESSARY. THE STATE OF MINNESOTA DOESN’T TREAT OTHER VEHICLES THIS WAY NOT BOATS NOT JET SKIS NOT ATV’S AND MOREOVER AS I DID MY RESEARCH I COULDN’T FIND THE JUSTIFICATION FOR WHY IT WAS PUT INTO EFFECT IN THE FIRST AS I DID MY RESEARCH TO I WAS ASKING FOR THE RATIONALE WHY WE WOULD DO THAT AND WE WERE COMING UP WITH THE NO ANSWER NOBODY COULD REALLY ARTICULATE WHY WE’RE DOING WHAT WE’RE DOING AND BECAUSE OF THAT I WONDER IF WE CAN START TO COLLATE WHY WE’RE DOING WHAT WE’RE DOING MAYBE WE SHOULDN’T BE DOING IT. THIS LAW IS LARGELY IN FORCED AND UNFORCED EXCUSE ME IN FACT IT’S IN FOR SO LITTLE WE CAN’T EVEN PUT A DOLLAR FIGURE ON THE REPEAL OF IT BUT SIMPLY DOESN’T MAKE ANY SENSE ANY LONGER TO REQUIRE SOMEONE TO REGISTER A SLED JUST SO THEY CAN LOADED ON A TRAILER AND BRING IT TO A SCRAP YARD WHERE PART SO I’M NOT SURE THAT IT’S REALLY SERVING ANY LEGITIMATE PURPOSE PUBLICLY ANYMORE. WHEN WE FIND MOST OUTDATED OBSOLETE AND UNNECESSARY WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO REMOVE THEM. HOUSE FIRE 3; 3; 6; 3; IS ONE OF THESE BILLS I ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT TODAY AND WILL THINK THIS BILL AMONG.>>THANK YOU AN A I BELIEVE WE HAVE THE AT LEAST ONE PAST THE FIRE ON THE DOUG FRANZEN. PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD PROCEED.>>MISTER CHAIRMAN MEMBERS MY NAME IS DOUG FRANZEN AND I REPRESENT THE MINNESOTA UNITED SNOWMOBILERS ASSOCIATION. OUR EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MET. OVER THE WEEKEND. ON A DIVIDED VOTE EXPRESSED SOME CONCERNS AND THIS BILL. FORTUNATELY REPRESENT US ANSTEAD REACHED OUT TO US. WE’VE HAD SOME STRONG CONVERSATIONS. SHE’S AND LITTLE TOO CONVINCING FOR MY SHE’S PROMISED THAT.>>THERE ARE WAYS AND WE AGREE THAT THERE ARE WAYS TO ADDRESS OUR CONCERNS AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS WITHOUT VIOLATING. BUT REPRESENTATIVE STANSTED WANTS TO DO SO WE YOU A DEBT OF GRATITUDE SO THANK YOU REPRESENTATIVE AND OUR CONCERNS WERE BASICALLY A REGISTRATION SYSTEM. THAT WE WERE LOSING REGISTRATIONS AND IT’S NOT THAT LESS PEOPLE OR SNOWMOBILING. BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE OTHER ISSUES THAT ARE LARGE. RELATE TO THE LOSS OF OUR REGISTRATION. ONE OF THEM AND I HAVE SHARED THIS WITH COLONEL SMITH IS UNREGISTERED SLEDS ARE READING ON OUR STATE AND GRANT MADE TRAILS AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE ENFORCEMENT STEPPED UP. WERE ACTUALLY IF YOU ARE VIOLATING THE LAW IF YOU ARE USING THIS RESOURCE THAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE PAYING FOR. YOU SHOULD PAY YOUR FAIR SHARE. THE OTHER PIECES I BELIEVE BEEN ADDRESSED. OR AT LEAST BEING LOOKED AT BY REPRESENTATIVE EKLAND. PROBABLY NOT FOR THIS YEAR; BUT NEXT YEAR. WE’RE GOING TO LOSE THIS YEAR ABOUT 40;000 REGISTRATIONS. BECAUSE OF THE ANTIQUE OR THE LAW CURRENTLY ON THE BOOKS. AND THESE ARE SAY 1995 COOL AIR SAYS THERE’S A LOT OF THEM OUT THERE BY LAW THEY WILL NO LONGER NEED TO BE REGISTERED TO RIGHT ON A SNOWMOBILE TRAIL NOW THERE’S LIMITED. WINDOW FOR THAT; BUT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT SO AFTER REPRESENTS US CENTS AT SPOKE WITH ME I REALIZE WE HAVE LARGER PROBLEMS THEN ANY LOSS OF REGISTRATION AND FRANKLY I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF ANYONE EVER GETTING A TICKET. AS PART OF THE SNOWMOBILE WITHOUT REGISTRATION STICKER. SO WITH THAT WE’RE STUDIOUSLY NEUTRAL. AND>>AS TO HIS OR ANYONE ELSE AND THE AUDIENCE TO LOOK IN TO TESTIFY. HE MIGHT MOVE QUESTION MEMBERS RESEMBLE IT.>>THANK YOU MISS SHARON THAT THE THANK YOU REPRESENTATIVE A SENSE THAT JUST GOT A COMMENT LOOKS TO ME LIKE A GOOD BILL GOT TO GET ON OUT OF HERE AND THE PROCESS IT. THANK YOU MISTER I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR COLONEL SMITH. I BECOME DOWN PLEASE.>>WELCOME CAROL SMITH THEM PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF.>>COLONEL RODMAN SMITH DIRECTOR OF ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT NATURAL RESOURCES.>>THE BABY; THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR; FROM SMITH. REPRESENTS SANCHEZ SAID IN HER TESTIMONY THAT THIS IS LARGELY AN FORCED CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS I’M SURE THAT. PERCENT OF SENSE TO SAY THAT AS WELL THAT MISTER CHAIR; A REPRESENTATIVE FABIAN. THIS LAW WAS PUT INTO PLACE PRIOR TO ME BEING HIRED 1997. I ASKED WHY WE HAD THIS LONG. NO ONE CAN EVER TELL ME WHY I’M IT’S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE’VE WRITTEN. CITATIONS FOR A LONG TIME IT SEEMED TO BE. ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE IF YOU BUY A SNOW BILL THAT PAID A SWAP MEET. DO YOU REALLY WANT TO MAKE SOMEBODY BRING THAT SLED BACK HOME. THE PERSON TRYING TO SELL IT. THE NEW OWNER GOING TO REGISTER IT GOING GOOD AT PICKING IT UP AND DRIVE IT BACK AND SO I’M YES IT HAS BEEN LARGELY UNENFORCED AND IT’S SOMETHING THAT. DOESN’T REALLY MAKE SENSE AND SPRITE AND THE CHANGE. THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR AND THEN REPRESENTS SENSE IT ALSO CENTER TESTIMONY THAT YOU CAN’T FIND A RECORD UP IN A FORCEFUL ACTION TAKEN ON THIS IS THAT ACCURATE. MISTER CHAIR REPRESENTATIVE FEE A B AND WE DIDN’T FIND ANYTHING A RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS. THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR; SO YOU’RE JUST USING YOUR ENFORCEMENT DISCRETION OR WHATEVER TO NOT ENFORCE IS THAT ACCURATE. MISTER CHAIR REPRESENTATIVE I’M GUESSING THAT THERE ARE TIMES WHERE OFFICERS SEEN A SNOWMOBILE GO BY AND. IN THE SUMMERTIME AND THEY’RE JUST USING THEIR DISCRETION. YES; THANK YOU. ONE LAST THING MISTER RICH AND BIG MISTER FRANCE AND YOU SAID THAT THOSE ARE 1995. POLAIR SAYS I APPRECIATE THE SHOUT OUT; BUT I KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHER MANUFACTURER OF THE LETTERS SO THANK YOU THE THE NOTED. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS MEMBERS. RENEW MY MOTION.>>THAT TO POST 12 3; 3; 6; 3; THE HAS BEEN REFERRED TO THE GENERAL REGISTER. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE AYE OWES. GOING TO WE TAKE UP THE NEXT BILL ANNOUNCE THAT WE HAVE A FORM WITH AT A FORUM FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW I NEED TO SAY THAT AND AND I’VE GOT SOME MINUTES HERE. FROM. THE LAST MEETING FEBRUARY 9TH T 2020. IF ANYONE IS BARELY READ THE MINUTES UNPREPARED THE. BUT MISTER CHAIRMAN MISTER CHAIRMAN OF THE MINUTES. BECAUSE LOOK MOVED A MINUTE. IT JUST GOT WORSE ON FAVOR SAY AYE. OWES AN INTERPRETER. NEXT BILL AS A HOUSE ABOUT 3; 3; 7; 6; THE LAWS WILL IT FAIL. THE POPE VERY FULL UP YET. THE EVENT MAY CONTINUE TO MOVE THE>>YES; MISTER JERRY WOULD MOVE HOUSE FILE 3; 3; 7; 6; AND THAT IT BE PASSED AND REFERRED TO THE INFORMANT FINANCE COMMITTEE.>>THEY’RE A GOOD AND A. PLEASE TELL US ABOUT THEIR BILLS EVER>>THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. I’M HERE TODAY TO PRESENT 3 BILLS THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED AS A RESULT OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED THAT WATER GREMLIN OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST 13 THIS FIRST BILL THAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS FOR A BAN ON THE CHEMICAL TRY COURT CLARO ETHYLENE ALSO KNOWN AS T C E. BY VIEW OF PROBABLY HEARD ABOUT TO SEE AT THIS POINT THERE’S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT IT LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR WHEN THE TCE REPORT CAME OUT IN JANUARY. WE DID PASS A TCE BAN BILL OFF THE HOUSE FLOOR LAST YEAR THE BILL THAT WE’RE LOOKING AT TODAY IS SOMETHING THAT I ALONG WITH SENATOR CHAMBERLAIN COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND MPCA STAFF WORK DONE AFTER WE PASS A BILL TO MAKE THE LEGISLATION MORE IMPLEMENTABLE AND MORE ENFORCEMENT FOR THE AGENCY. THE LANGUAGE THAT MADE IT INTO THE OMNIBUS BILL IN THE SENATE LAST YEAR BUT FAILED TO MAKE IT INTO THE FINAL BUDGET LAST SESSION IS WHAT WE’RE WORKING FROM AND THE PIECE OF LEGISLATION THAT I’M PRESENTING TODAY IS ESSENTIALLY THAT LANGUAGE WITH SOME TWEAKS TO UPDATE THE TIMELINE AND TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE MPCA TO IMPLEMENT AND ENFORCE THIS BAN. JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THE BILL DOES AND THEN I I HAVE SOME TESTIMONY FROM SOME FOLKS WHO COULDN’T BE HERE TODAY AS THEY’RE STILL AT WORK THAT I WANT TO SHARE AS WELL. SO JUST A BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE BEGINNING IN JANUARY FIRST 2022 FACILITIES THAT HAVE AIR PERMITS WITH THE MPCA CANNOT USE THE CHEMICAL NYSE TCE IF THE FACILITY IS MORE TIME THERE IS SOME. SOME LANGUAGE IN THE BILL THAT ALLOWS AN EXTENSION TO BE GRANTED WITH CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES MET AND ON THE GIRL REALLY WITH THIS BILL IS TO TCE WITH LESS TOXIC CHEMICAL. WE KNOW THAT CAUSES CANCER; WE KNOW THAT IT HEART DEFECTS AND IT’S SOMETHING THAT IS VERY TOXIC AND SOMETHING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT LOOKED TO SEVERAL YEARS AGO DIDN’T FOLLOW THROUGH ON THAT; BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY HAD CONSIDERED SOMETHING THAT THEY WANTED TO DO. THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS IN THE BILL FOR COMPANIES THAT ARE USING TCE FOR EXAMPLE IN A CLOSED SYSTEM WHERE THEY’RE NOT ADMITTING ANYTHING THAT THEY’RE HOLDING UP AN ATTORNEY WITH TCE AND AS WELL AS HOSPITALS AND ACADEMIC MEDICAL FACILITIES WHO MAY USE IT IN THE WORK THAT THEY’RE DOING BUT AREN’T NECESSARILY EMITTING LARGE AMOUNTS IF ANY FROM THE FACILITY. SO THOSE ARE THOSE ARE THE GENERAL GUIDELINES I JUST WANT TO READ A COUPLE OF PIECES OF TESTIMONY FROM SOME FOLKS FROM THAT COMMUNITY THAT CAN BE HERE TODAY HAD WORK MEETINGS AT THE END OF THE DAY AND WERE ABLE TO MAKE IT. THE FIRST PIECE I THINK THIS IS IN YOUR PACKETS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNED CITIZENS GROUP WHICH IS WHITE THEIR AREA GROUP THAT WAS FORMED SHORTLY AFTER I’M KIND OF THE WATER IN THE NEWS BROKE IN JANUARY OF LAST YEAR. THE ANNIVERSARY OF THE MARCH FIRST 2019 STIPULATION AGREEMENT IS ALMOST HERE. WE LEARNED THEN THAT OUR FAMILIES AND NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN EXPOSED TO EXTREME LEVELS OF TCE POLLUTION. HOW EXTREME IN 2018 WATER GRAHAM AND SELF-REPORTED EMITTING 120 TONS OF TCE INTO INTO THE AIR AGAINST IN 1010 PER YEAR PERMIT. THEY HAD BEEN POLLUTING EXCESSIVELY FOR 15 PLUS YEARS PRIOR TO THAT. OUR COMMUNITY HAS BEEN TAKING ACTION ASKING FOR CHANGE AND DEMANDING ACCOUNTABILITY. WE HAVE LEARNED MANY THINGS ALONG THE WAY THAT US DOWN IT’S THE LIBRARY WAS NOT THE FIRST COMMUNITY IMPACTED BY TCE THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN AROUND FOR DECADES. TCE SOIL AND WATER POLLUTION HAS IMPACTED COMMUNITIES LIKE BAYPORT FRIENDLY ST. LOUIS PARK SOUTHEAST CONDO IN MINNEAPOLIS YOU DIANA; NEW BRIGHTON ARDEN HILLS IN OTHER COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE STATE. THESE COMMUNITIES ARE DEALING WITH THE EXPENSE OF MANAGING TCE IN THE SOIL AND WATER AND CITIZENS ARE DEALING WITH HEALTH ISSUES CAUSED BY TCE POLLUTION. IT IS POSSIBLE FOR COMPANIES TO MOVE AWAY FROM TCE SINCE WATER GRAHAM AND BECAME A NEWS STORY MEANT APP WHICH IS THE MINUTES OF THE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE PROJECT HAS RECEIVED A RECORD NUMBER OF CALLS FROM COMPANIES ASKING FOR HELP TO FIND OTHER COME CHEMICALS OR PROCESSES. ADDITIONALLY MANY MINNESOTA MANUFACTURERS HAVE PREVIOUSLY MOVED AWAY FROM TCE BECAUSE OF HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO MANAGE EVEN FOR THOSE WHO KNOW HOW. ANOTHER LESSON LEARNED IN PERSON INSPECTIONS ARE INFREQUENT. SELF REPORTING IS RELIED UPON IN THE CASE OF SERIAL OFFENDERS LIKE WATER RAMEN IT PUTS THE COMMUNITY WORKERS AND THE ENVIRONMENT AT RISK WHEN INSPECTORS DO NOT ACTUALLY HAVE EYES IN THE FACILITY AND DO NOT COMMUNICATE POSSIBLE CONCERNS WITH OTHER AGENCIES. IMPACTED CITIZENS ARE NOT CONSULTED AS A STAKEHOLDER IN LARGE PART OF THE PROCESS. THEY’RE NOT ONE WHEN INFORMATION COMES TO LIGHT AND THEY’RE NOT CONSULTED HAS AGREEMENTS WITH VENDORS ARE BEING MADE. THE WEAPON AREA COMMUNITY DID NOT WANT 1500 TREES PLANTED THAT WAS PART OF THE STIPULATION AGREEMENT; I’M BEING INCLUDING TREASON MY GOING GROUNDS WE LIKE TREES JUST FINE BUT NOT IN PLACE APART FINES FOR OFFENDERS. THE WATER GOING EXPERIENCE HAS EXPOSED THESE ISSUES AND OTHERS AND I’M SORRY TO SAY THESE ISSUES EXIST IN YOUR COMMUNITIES AS WELL. TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE FACT THAT THROUGH WATER GRAHAM AND WE HAVE LEARNED WHERE THE SYSTEM BREAKS DOWN AND WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THIS COMMON SENSE LEGISLATION IN YOUR COMMUNITIES WOULD BE TOO IF THEY HAD UNFORTUNATE OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN ALL THIS FIRSTHAND TO ASSESS MONAE IS KIND OF ABOUT THE BROAD PACKAGE; THE 3 BILLS ARE TALKING ABOUT I WANT TO READ ONE MORE SHORT PIECE A CONSTITUENT WHO LIVES IN THE COMMUNITY WHO WANTED TO ATTEND A TEAM THAT COULDN’T BE HERE. THIS IS ALSO IN YOUR PACKETS. I’M SORRY I COULDN’T GET HIM IN PERSON TODAY. MY NAME IS ANDREA WEST. I’M A MOTHER OF 2 YOUNG ADULTS; A WIFE AND A HOMEOWNER IN WHITE BEAR LAKE. MY HOME WHERE IS MY KIDS AND WHERE WAS LIVING WHEN I GOT DIAGNOSED TREATED AND SURVIVED CANCER IS IN THE AREA AROUND AROUND ONE A GUNMAN HAS BEEN SUBJECTED TO MORE THAN 15 YEARS OF EXCESSIVE EMISSIONS OF A TOXIC CHEMICAL TCE YOU ARE GOVERNMENT HAVE NOT MAJOR BUSINESSES FALLEN PERMANENT PERMITTED USES THE TCE AND IF NOT PROTECTED MY COMMUNITY FROM EXCESSIVE TOXIC TCE EMISSIONS. TOXIC CONTAMINATION IS NOT JUST A WAY TO A PROBLEM AND HIGH LEVELS OF TCE AIR WATER AND SOIL POLLUTION HAVE BEEN FOUND IN MANY COMMUNITIES AROUND MINNESOTA. SALA’S PARK IS THE LOCATION OF A NEW MPCA PLAN TO CREATE A SUPERFUND SITE TO THE ONGOING ISSUES OF TOXIC TCE VAPORS FROM CONTAMINATED GROUNDWATER AND SOIL VAPOR. WE HAVE ALSO HAD TO PAY MILLIONS TO MAKE SURE THEIR DRINKING WATER IS SAFE TO TURN TCE CONTAMINATION IN BAYPORT FRIENDLY DINAH AND OTHER COMMUNITIES. YOU ARE GOVERNMENT HAD NOT PROTECTED OTHER COMMUNITIES FROM EXCESSIVE TOXIC TCE EMISSIONS. THERE’S NOT A QUESTION OF TCE IS BAD FOR HUMAN HEALTH. TC HAS BEEN KNOWN TO BE DANGEROUS TO HUMANS SINCE AT LEAST 2001 ALMOST 20 YEARS AGO. STILL TCE CONTINUES TO BE USED BY BUSINESSES EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE SAFER ALTERNATIVES TO USE IN ITS PLACE. YOU ARE GOVERNMENT HAVE NOT PROVIDE ENOUGH INCENTIVES AND SUPPORT TO BUSINESSES TO ENCOURAGE USE OF SAFE ARE NONTOXIC ALTERNATIVES TO TOXIC TCE. I’M ASKING YOU TO PROTECT ME MY FAMILY; MY COMMUNITY MINNESOTA COMMUNITIES BY BANNING T C. I’M ASKING YOU NOT TO WAIT ANOTHER 20 YEARS TO BAN TCE WHEN WE KNOW THAT YOU SEE IS DANGEROUS TO HUMAN HEALTH AND IS COSTING A STATE LIVES AND MONEY BUT WE DO NOTHING I’M ASKING YOU TO BAN TCE NOW WITH HIS SUGGESTED END DATE TO USE OF TCE OF 1231 2021. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. I DO WANT TO JUST BRIEFLY THE FOLKS THAT WE HAVE WRITTEN TESTIMONY FROM TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT COMMUNITIES THAT ARE IMPACTED BY TCE OUTSIDE OF THE COMMUNITY MY DISTRICT IN AND I’M JUST WANTED TO READ THE LIST SEVERAL COMMUNITIES THAT SOME HAVE THAT I DIDN’T MENTION THAT ARE DEALING WITH TCE WATER CONTAMINATION AND ALLOW THOSE COMMUNITIES ARE HEADING TO PAY TO TREAT THEIR WATER SO THAT THEY DON’T HAVE A DEEP TEASE EATING CONSUMED. THOSE COMMUNITIES INCLUDE BAYPORT BAYTOWN TOWNSHIP NEW BRIGHTON FRIENDLY SPRING PARK ST. LOUIS PARK MEDINE A SPRING ROAD AND WAIT PARK. THERE ARE ALSO OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT ARE DEALING WITH SOIL AND INDOOR AIR POLLUTION AS WELL. SOME OF THOSE COMMUNITIES AND OTHERS ACROSS THE SO JUST WANT TO WRAP UP AND SAY. WE DID THIS LAST SESSION WE HAD GOOD BIPARTISAN SUPPORT THE HOUSE AND THIS BOOK REALLY WHAT THE GOAL IS TO MAKE PEOPLE INTO LAW BY THE AGENCY AND FORCIBLE SO THAT WHEN WE. GO OUT AND WANT TO BAN THIS WE ACTUALLY CAN DO IT SO THIS IS THE BILL THIS IS A LANGUAGE THAT WILL HELP US GET THAT DONE.>>REPRESENTED WAS WE HAVE SOME JUST THE FIRES. THAT HAVE SIGNED UP AARON. PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD PROCEED.>>MY NAME IS ERIN CLAIMS I’M THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AT THE MINNESOTA CENTER FOR ENVIRONMENTAL ADVOCACY. AND SEE A IS A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION FROM US 50 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE OF USING A LOT OF SCIENCE TO PROTECT MINNESOTA’S ENVIRONMENT. THE HEALTH OF ITS PEOPLE. REPRESENTATIVE WAS VICK’S AGENT 3; 3; 7; 6; BASES IT ENDED BUT ON THE USE OF A TOXIC CHEMICAL THAT IS ONE OF THE MOST PREVALENT POLLUTERS OF MINNESOTA AIR AND WATER. MCA STRONGLY SUPPORTS HF 3; 3; 7; 6; HE SEES TOXICITY IS NOT IN DOUBT SAFER ALTERNATIVES ARE AVAILABLE. AND THE ONGOING HARM TO MINNESOTANS FROM DECADES OF POLLUTION DEMAND THAT WE SET A FIRM END DATE FOR THE USE OF THIS CANCER CAUSING CHEMICAL IN MINNESOTA. TRACKER ATHLETE HAS BEEN WIDELY USED TO SUCH INCREASE OR AND A SOLVENT. BUT IT CAUSES CANCER EVEN AT VERY LOW LEVELS OF EXPOSURE AND THAT SCIENCE IS IRREFUTABLE. THIS COMMITTEE IS FAMILIAR WITH THE WATER GREMLIN CASE WHERE SURROUNDING RESIDENTS OF THE FACTORY PRE TOXIC LEVELS. POLLUTED AIR FOR 15 YEARS; BUT POLLUTION CONTROL EQUIPMENT FAILED IN THE COMPANY DID NOT FIX IT. ADDITIONAL WATER GREMLIN THOUGH THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER LARGE AIR EMISSION SOURCES THAT LEGALLY RELEASE THEIR PERMITS TCE INTO THE AIR EACH YEAR. MANY OF THESE FACILITIES ARE LOCATED AT HISTORICALLY OVERBURDENED AREAS THAT FACE MULTIPLE POLLUTION SOURCES WHO DID THE AIR THEY BREATHE. YOU MAY NOT BE AS FAMILIAR WITH TO SEE ITS IMPACT ON DRINKING WATER. BUT COMMUNITIES ACROSS MINNESOTA DEAL DAILY WITH THIS ISSUE. WITH THE CHALLENGE AND EXPENSE OF ADDRESSING THIS TCE CONTAMINATION OF THE DRINKING WATER. SO TO PROVIDE SAFE DRINKING WATER TO RESIDENTS. THEY HAVE TO PAY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO TREAT THIS. MY COMMUNITY AND FRANKLY IT’S ONE OF THE CITY’S MOST WELL WELL AS WELL AS THAT NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY OF THE BRIGHT IT’S BEEN A LONG TIME DECADES LONG PROCESS OF TRYING TO PROVIDE SAFE DRINKING WATER TO THE PLACE THAT I LIVE. BUT IT’S COST BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. EVEN THE AIR IN OUR HOMES AND BUSINESSES IT IS AT RISK FROM THIS POLLUTION BECAUSE TCU CONTAMINATED GROUND WATER. CAMP KERRY TCE VAPORS INTO BUILDINGS WHERE THEY CONCENTRATE UNSAFE LEVELS AND HARM PEOPLE’S HEALTH. THAT COULD HARM RESIDENTS AND WORKERS. IT JUST A FEW MONTHS SINCE THE MPCA HAS BEEN CONTACTING PERMITTED USES OF TCE ENCOURAGING THEM TO ADOPT LESS TOXIC ALTERNATIVES. 5 OF THE TCE MATTERS A VOLUNTARILY AGREED TO STOP SAFER ALTERNATIVES. I THINK IT’S AN IMPORTANT LESSON THAT WE ARE READY TIP SET AN END DATE FOR THE USE OF THIS KIND MICHAEL BECAUSE WE CAN DO THAT WE CAN MAKE A MOVEMENT TOWARD LESS TOXIC ALTERNATIVES. IT’S A KIND OF ALTERNATIVES EXIST THE SUCCESS OF NPCS VOLUNTARY EFFORT SO FAR TO REDUCE USE TRY CLEAR EVIDENCE THAT THE FEES OUT OF THIS TOXIC CHEMICAL IS BOTH TIMELY AND FEASIBLE AND NECESSARY. EVEN WHEN AND MINNESOTA AS THE US ATC WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE POLLUTION LEFT BEHIND FOR DECADES; EVEN CENTURIES. SO NOW IS THE TIME TO STOP ADDING TO THIS TOLL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR KIND ATTENTION SARAH PURCELL MEMBERS OF HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>THANK YOU TO BRING IT BACK UP WE’VE GOT QUESTIONS YOU WILL GET A COUPLE MORE GUESTS; THE FIRE. I’M GOING TO CLOSE.>>WELCOME AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF CLEAN PERSON. MISTER CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE MY NAME IS TONY PULIS ON THE DIRECTOR OF ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY AT THE MINNESOTA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE ON IT JUST BE VERY BRIEF AND WANT TO THANK REPRESENT A WAS LOOK I THINK IT’S A REPRESENTATIVE FISHER EARLIER. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PROPOSALS OUT NOW INCLUDING THE ADMINISTRATION’S. REPRESENT WAS LOOK AS A COUPLE OF THEM INCLUDING THE ADMIN STATIONS AND THERE IS ANOTHER ONE OUT THERE. MISTER CHAIRMAN I THINK THAT AS YOU JUST HEARD FROM MISTER OF THE ISSUE IN FRONT OF US THAT THE PCA I’M GOING TO USE ALL MY ACRONYMS THE PCA TCE PRODUCTION REPORT AND I THINK WAS VERY HELPFUL. I’M POINTING OUT THAT YOU KNOW THE FACILITIES IN THE THE MAJOR USERS; MOST OF VOLUNTARILY GONE; AND IT WAS ALSO MENTIONED BY REPRESENTATIVE WAS LOOK THAT THE MINNESOTA TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM OR BEEN TAPPED HE’S BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB AND HELPING BUSINESSES TRANSITION OUT OF THIS CHEMICAL BUT THE ONE QUOTE I WANT TO READ IT FROM THEIR WEBSITE IS UNFORTUNATELY THERE IS NO SILVER BULLET WHEN IT COMES TO REPLACING TCE SO SOMETIMES IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF TIME; I’M AND THAT’S WHY I WANT TO THANK REPRESENT WAS LICKING REPRESENT FISHER WE’VE BEEN ALSO INCLUDING STAKEHOLDER GROUP NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS AND SOME OF THE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS THAT WE PAD AND I THINK EACH AND EVERY MEETING WE HAVE MISTER CHAIRMAN IS THERE SPENT SOME VERY CONSTRUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS I THINK ALL PARTIES WILL AGREE AND WE’RE GETTING A LITTLE BIT CLOSER EVERY TIME WE’RE NOT THERE YET AND I DON’T WANT TO BE THE ONE THAT LET PERFECT BE IN THE WAY OF THE GOOD BUT I THINK THAT WE’RE MOVING OUR WAY TOWARDS A SOLUTION. I’M I’M I’M HOPING REPRESENT WAS LOOK AT RACE WITH.>>A GOOD. THANK YOU AND WE’LL BRING YOU BACK OF GOOD QUESTIONS WE’RE GOING TO DO ALL OF OUR KIDS TO PLAY HERE. AND A 2 FOLKS FROM MPCA. BIG MCDONNELL>>THANK YOU MISTER CHAIRMAN I’M FOR THE RECORD CREDIT GOT THEIR MINNESOTA POLLUTION CONTROL AGENCY IT WILL JUST BE ME TODAY. MISTER CHAIRMAN I THINK SO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO TESTIFY IN HOUSE POE 3376 THE BAN ON THE USE OF TCE AND THANK YOU REP SAID WAS LOOK FOR INTRODUCING THIS BANNING TCE IS AN IMPORTANT STEP TO PROTECTING MINNESOTA AIR AND WATER AND IS A PRIORITY FOR THE MPCA THE SESSION. OUR PREFERRED POSITION IS THE ADMINISTRATION’S AS MISTER REMARKED WAS INTRODUCED TODAY IN THE HOUSE AND LAST WEEK IN THE SENATE. BOTH THE GOVERNOR’S LANGUAGE; OUR LANGUAGE AND REP CENT OF LAST WEEK’S LANGUAGE ARE BASED OFF OF THE AGREEMENT THAT EVERYONE HAD AT THE END OF THE 29TH TEEN SESSION AND AS REPS AND WAS A WEEK SAID WE WORKED ON THAT LANGUAGE OVER THE INTERIM WE THE PCA TO MAKE THAT LANGUAGE MORE IMPLEMENTABLE. AND THERE ARE CONCEPTS PETE QUEEN ARE TCE BAN BILL AND REPRESENT LAST WEEK’S TC BAN BILL. AND WE DEFINITELY SUPPORT AND SHARE THE INTENT OF HER BILL. SO I THINK RIGHT NOW WE’RE LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH REPS AND WAS SLICK AND OTHER LEGISLATIVE LEADERS TO COME TO AGREEMENT ENACTED TCE BAN THIS YEAR. QUESTIONS MEMBERS.>>REPUBLICAN BUT I THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR.>>AND I.>>ALSO REALLY WANT TO THANK REPRESENT WAS AWAKE. I SHE’S BEEN WORKING HARDER THAN ANYONE ON THIS ISSUE SENSE. WE FOUND OUT ABOUT WATER A YEAR AGO I HEAR THE WELL THIS IS THIS WAS OUR VERSION AND THIS IS OUR VERSION AND AND AT THIS POINT AND TO BE CLEAR I HAVE CONSTITUENTS IN THE GYM LAKE AREA WHO ARE ALSO IMPACTED BY POLLUTION FOR NEARLY 2 DECADES. AND THOSE JUST KIND OF SOUND LIKE EXCUSES AT THIS AS FAR AS IT’S ALMOST MARCH.>>ARE DEADLINES ARE GOING TO BE HERE BEFORE WE KNEW IT KNOW IT AND WE NEED WE NEED TO GET MOVING WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING. THAT’S WHAT I’M HEARING FROM MY CONSTITUENTS THAT’S WHAT I’M HEARING FROM OTHER FOLKS ON DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE STATE THAT HAVE BEEN IMPACTED BY THIS CHEMICAL AND OTHER>>WE NEED TO DO MORE. AND SO I I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT THAT WE DO MOVE THIS BILL FORWARD AND AND I I KNOW SHE’LL DO HER DUE DILIGENCE AND TALK WITH FOLKS IF THERE’S THERE’S YOU KNOW THINGS THAT MAKE SENSE BUT I MEAN. WE’VE WAITED LONG ENOUGH; IT’S BEEN A YEAR OF MEETINGS AND ALL THROUGH THE INTERIM AND WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD SO I’M HOPING THAT WE CAN MOVE THIS FORWARD. AND AND WHAT A GOOD BILL DO SOME GOOD WORK FOR PEOPLE SO THANK YOU. I THINK YOU MISJUDGES VERY BRIEF BUT.>>OBVIOUSLY IT’S A POLICY COMMITTEE AND THIS IS GOING TO FINANCE SO THAT AT THAT POINT WE’LL NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE COST EVEN EVEN TO TAKE SOMETHING OUT OF THE SYSTEM THERE’S CAUSE SO THAT AND THIS WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND ARE STILL SMART THINGS WE’VE GOT TO LOOK AT.>>AND THERE’S THE RUB HIM FABIAN; THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR OF LIKE A THE GENTLEMAN FROM MTA; MISTER PLANS TO COME DOWN PLEASE.>>YOU DO IT YOURSELF AGAIN IF YOU WOULD SIR; I’M ERIN CLAIMS THAT DIRECTOR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AT MINNESOTA CENTER FOR ENVIRONMENTAL ETHICS.>>THE BABY. THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR; MISTER CLEMENS YOU CONTINUE TO MOURN AT THEIR SUBSTITUTES FOR OR ALTERNATIVES FOR.>>HE SAYS HE S OF THE MTA HAVE A LIST OF.>>THOSE SUBSTITUTES.>>REPRESENTATIVE FABIAN AND CHAIR PURCELL NO NOT TO MY HEAD THERE A WHOLE HOST OF DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES FOR DECREASING AGENTS. SOME OTHER CHEMICAL IN NATURE; SOME MEMORIES WATER AND STEAM; YOU KNOW SO THERE A VARIETY OF THEM AND I KNOW THAT AND OF THE TEA MPCA HAS BEEN WORKING WITH PERMANENT USERS STRAIGHT JENNIFER. A LIST OF POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVES AS MISTER QUOTES NOTED IT’S NOT LIKE THERE’S A SINGLE. BUT WHAT RIGHT TO RESPOND TO ALL OF THESE THAT DIFFERENT INDUSTRIES AND DIFFERENT USES WILL REQUIRE DIFFERENT PROCESSES. SO I WOULDN’T WANT TO STAND UP HERE AND TELL YOU THERE’S 5 ALTERNATIVES AND WE’RE ALL BETTER BUT THEY NEED THAT IT’S WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE BETWEEN INDUSTRY AND REGULATORS. THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR; SO ABSENT OF THE WATER AND STEAM.>>IS MCA WORKING ON SOME SORT OF A LIST THAT THE THINGS THAT THEY APPROVE THAT WOULD BE A SUBSTITUTE FOR TCE.>>CHAIR PURCELL MISTER FABIAN AND NO WE’RE NOT LISTENING OR NOT DOING THAT TO LOOK AT WHAT THE MPCA DOES THE MPCA HAS BEEN LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES THAT’S MEANT APP AS WELL AND THEY’RE GENERALLY LESS TOXIC THAN I DON’T HAVE A LIST AND I’M IN FRONT OF ME TODAY THAT I CAN GIVE TO YOU NOW.>>THANK YOU MISTER CHAIRMAN JUST PUTTING THE BALL UP IS ARE YOU GOING TO BE DOING THAT. OH I’M SORRY A CHAIRPERSON MISTER FAYED KNOW WE WON’T BE CREATING A LIST FOR FOR INDUSTRY TO USE.>>AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS HERE THAN HALF FOR ALL OF>>AT THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR FORGOT TO MENTION I WOULD REQUEST A ROLE.>>AND YOU COULD ASK ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE TO LOOK THAT IF THE FI ON THIS BILL. YEAH OK WE’RE READY TO HIS INVICTA BEEN WOULD YOU REMOVE YOUR MOTION.>>YES; MISTER CHAIR WOULD REVIEW I RENEW MY MOTION HOUSE BILL 3; 3; 7; THE PAST AND REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE ON ENVIRONMENT FINANCE.>>ROLL CALL BE REQUESTED TO TAKE THE ROLE TERRIBLE TIME. VICE CHAIR BACK TO FRONT. REPRESENTATIVE A CALL I REPRESENTATIVE ANDERSON. REPRESENTATIVE REPRESENTATIVE OFTEN I REPRESENTATIVE FABIAN. REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENTS. I REPRESENTATIVE GREEN. REPRESENTATIVE HANSEN REPRESENTATIVE HUNTSMAN. REPRESENTATIVE LIPPERT I REPRESENTATIVE WAS A GUARD. I REPRESENTATIVE WERE KENYANS. THEY’RE 15 EYES AND 0 NAYS MOTION EFFECT.>>YOU HEARD A RULE THOUGH THERE’S STILL THE MOTION PREVAILS IN. BILL MOVED AHEAD.>>I THINK ABOUT THE PIRATES IN HERE; THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR; THANK YOU. GOOD>>WE’LL TAKE YOU TO STAY RIGHT THERE; THANKS TO RIP HIM WHAT TO DO IT.>>HOUSE FILED 3 OF THE 7; THEIR EMISSIONS. POLICE TELL US ABOUT THIS FILM.>>THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE HAS FELL 33 77 REQUIRES THE MINNESOTA POLLUTION CONTROL AGENCY TRIP OUR FACILITIES WITH AIR QUALITY PERMITS ON MINUTE. THE NEED TO MOVE THE BILL>>WITH THE HELP OF 3; 3; 7; 70 REFERRED ENVIRONMENT NATURAL RESOURCES. FINANCE DIVISION.>>HAS HAD 3377 REQUIRES A PCA TO REQUIRE FACILITIES WITH AIR QUALITY PERMITS ISSUED BY THE AGENCY TO INCREASE THE FREQUENCY WITH WHICH AIR MISSIONS ARE PHYSICALLY MEASURE IT ALSO REQUIRES RECORDS OF INDIRECT MEASURES EMISSIONS TO BE SENT TO THE AGENCY MONTHLY. I’M ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HEARD FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE SO FIRST OF ALL I THINK A LOT OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC DOESN’T THAT A LOT OF OUR REGULATORY PROCESSES BUT THAT PARTICULAR WITH MPCA RICK RELY ON BUSINESSES SELF REPORTING. SO ARE LYING AND BUSINESSES TEND TO PRESENT THE PCA ACCURATE DATA ON IN THIS CASE; THEIR AIR MISSIONS. THE CASE OF WATER BROUGHT UP A LOT OF ISSUES IN THIS AREA AND I WAS GOING TO WALK THROUGH; I’M A FEW THINGS YOU KNOW HAVE A STIPULATION IN FRONT OF US LIKE 30 PAGES LONG BUT I’M GOING TO WALK THROUGH A COUPLE THINGS THAT CAME UP IN THE STIPULATION AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE PCA WANT RAMEN ON THAT INDICATE A NEED FOR SOMETHING MORE THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY DO WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY GO TO A FACILITY ONCE IN A WHILE AND THEN LOOK AT RELY ON PAPER RECORDS THAT THE COMPANY IS PROVIDING I’LL TELL YOU SO I THINK ONE THING TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT. THE PCA HAD REALLY NO INDEPENDENT OF CONDITIONS THAT WATER GRAHAM AND SO THEY ARE RELYING ON.>>I’M ON THE ON>>THE REGULAR PARTY WHICH IS WHY RAMEN ON THEIR RECORDS AND DOCUMENT DOCUMENTATION TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH PERMIT CONDITIONS. SO JUST ONE EXAMPLE FROM THE STIPULATION THE MPC RELIED ON THE OF THE PERFORMANCE TEST ENVIRONMENT MEANS REBUILDING AS JUSTIFICATION FOR THE KOMINSKY REALLY THIS IS POLLUTION CONTROL EQUIPMENT TO OPERATE ABOUT THE REQUIRE 95% CONTROL FISH AND SEA INCLUDING OPERATING RECORDKEEPING REQUIREMENTS IN THE PERMIT. THEY HAD SEVERAL ISSUES ACROSS SEVERAL YEARS WITH BREAKDOWNS IN THIS POLLUTION CONTROL EQUIPMENT. AND OVER THE COURSE OF SEVERAL YEARS THEY WERE NOT INSPECTED. AND THEY NEVER REALLY DISCOVERED THAT THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE EQUIPMENT. BECAUSE AGAIN THEY’RE RELYING ON THE COMPANY TO TELL THEM WHEN THEY’RE EXPERIENCING ISSUES. THEY WHEN THE WHEN WATER GOING WHEN PCN WATER GOING HAVING CONVERSATION AROUND I’M A REGULAR A REGULARITY ZINN INFORMATION THAT THEY WERE RECEIVING IN 2018. IN THE SUMMER OF 2018. WATER TO PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION TO 2 PC THAT WAS CONCERNING AND AT THE SEPTEMBER 20 22;018 MEETING. WHAT ARE GOES ON ABLE TO PRODUCE RECORDS DETAILING WHETHER OR NOT THEIR POLLUTION CONTROL EQUIPMENT WAS OPERATING EVERY DAY PRIOR TO 7/22/2018. SO WE’RE RELYING ON A COMPANY AND THAT’S WHAT’S BEEN KEEPING RECORDS AND HADN’T BEEN KEEPING RECORDS ON WHETHER OR NOT THEIR POLLUTION CONTROL WAS WAS OPERATING EVERY DAY AND WHAT HOW WELL IT WAS OPERATING. SO THAT’S ONE THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER EXAMPLES IN A SEPARATION AGREEMENT THAT RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW WHICH RELIES AGAIN MOSTLY ON RECORDS AND DOCUMENTATION KEPT BY A I THINK THERE’S A YOU KNOW RELATED AND NOT KEPT THESE WRECK AND SO IT’S HARD TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN RELY ON THE RECORDS WHEN THEY DON’T EXIST. ANOTHER ANOTHER ISSUE THAT HAS COME UP IN TALKING WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS IS. THE SAME CONCERN THAT THAT I EXPRESS WHICH IS THAT WE’RE RELYING ON A COMPANY READY RECORDS WE HAVE A GREAT EXAMPLE HERE A COMPANY NAIVE IN HAVING THOSE RECORDS AND I’M HAVING A POLLUTION ISSUE FOR 70 PLUS YEARS WHERE THEY WERE ABOUT PERMITTED LEVELS BY QUITE A BIT I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WATER GREMILLION IS NOT AN ISOLATED INCIDENT. THE FINAL SET ON A BROTHER MEDALS; ANOTHER EXAMPLE IN NORTH MINNEAPOLIS LAST SEPTEMBER WAS THE RESULT OF A WHISTLEBLOWER AT THE COMPANY REPORTING TO PCN AT THE COMPANY IS PROVIDING FALSE AIR MISSIONS READINGS. AGAIN RELYING ON A COMPANY AND HAVING THEM CLEARLY I’M NOT REPORTING CORRECT DATA FOR THE CORN PRODUCTS IN WINTHROP THE STATE’S 4TH LARGEST ETHANOL PLANT. THE PLANT HAD BEEN HAD NOT BEEN DOING PROPER PERFORMANCE TESTING RECORDKEEPING REPORTING IN OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF ITS POLLUTION CONTROL EQUIPMENT. STOP AND START TO THE ARCTIC. WELL I’M FROM OCTOBER MANAGEMENT VOLUNTARY CONDUCT AN EYE ON THEIR VIOLATIONS HAVE BEEN OCCURRING FOR ALMOST 4 YEARS. SPECTRAL ALLOYS AND WAS NOT THE EPA ENTERED A CONSENT DECREE WITH THE COMPANY IN 2012. RILEY SHUNS THAT OCCURRED BETWEEN 2004 2000 9; INCLUDING EMISSIONS OF DIOXINS AND FRIENDS AND HYDROCHLORIC ACID AND EXCEEDED FEDERAL LAW AND OTHER VIOLATIONS. THE COMPANY FAILED TO DISCLOSE IN ITS OWN MONITORING SYSTEM REVEALED EXCESS EMISSIONS AND THIS IS FROM A STAR TRIBUNE ARTICLE IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR. SO SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO NOTE IN YOUR PACKET OF DOCUMENTS WHY WHY WE’RE LOOKING AT STAFF THE TEST SAYS THAT AS A POTENTIAL WAY OF OF ACTUALLY GETTING REAL DATA SO THAT RELY ON RECORDS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE THERE ARE RECORDS THAT MAYOR NOT BE FALSE OR RECORDS THAT MAY HAVE AN AIR. I THINK ONE THING TO POINT OUT IS THAT PEOPLE DO MAKE MISTAKES IN THESE SORTS OF SITUATIONS AND IT’S NOT ALWAYS INTENTIONAL. THE COMPANIES ARE DOING THIS. BUT INTENTION INTENTIONAL OR NOT THAT DOESN’T CHANGE THE FACT THAT PEOPLE ARE BEING HARMED OUR COMMUNITIES BECAUSE OF THESE EMISSIONS. SO THERE’S A DOCUMENT CALLED CLEARING THE AIR. AN EVALUATION IS THAT HIS PROGRAMS TO PROTECT THE AIR WE BREATHE IN YOUR PACKETS IT’S FROM 1992; AND IT TALKS ABOUT A MISSED THE PCA IS STACKED TEST THERE’S SOME INFORMATION ABOUT NUMEROUS TECH TESTS AND PERCENT IN JAPAN CAN SEE AND TABLE 6.8 THE NUMBER HAS BEEN GOING DOWN THIS WAS AGAIN IN THE 80’S AND 90’S AND THEN SET HIS POLICY SO SOME OF THE INFORMATION WHICH IS. SOME OF THE GUIDELINES ON PAGE ONE 16. I WAS ACTUALLY USED WHEN WE CRAFTED THIS BILL SO IT’S LANGUAGE THAT IS COMING FROM A REPORT ABOUT PCA STACKED TEST AND THE NASDAQ TEST POLICY THAT. I FOR MY KNOWLEDGE HAS NEVER BEEN IMPLEMENTED; BUT IT COULD BE RUN AND THAT TO MY KNOWLEDGE IT HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED HASN’T BEEN ACTUALLY BEING DONE VERY WIDELY IN TERMS BUSINESSES ARE REQUIRED TO DO I THINK THE MAIN POINT HERE IS THAT WE DON’T ACTUALLY YOU YOU CAN GO TO ANY COMPANY WHERE THERE’S AIR MISSIONS AND WE ACTUALLY DON’T HAVE A MEASUREMENT OF WHAT’S COMING OUT OF THE STACK WE ASSUME THAT COMPANIES ARE PROVIDING US WITH CORRECT INFORMATION AS WE’VE SEEN FROM WATER GREMLIN AND OTHER METALS AND SEVERAL OTHER SO MUCH I DETAIL THIS IS NOT ALWAYS THE CASE AND WE REALLY HAVE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF SYSTEM IN PLACE THAT ACTUALLY GETTING US. THE DATA THAT’S HELPFUL IN DETERMINING WHETHER COMPANIES ARE WHAT THEY’RE GETTING AND AT WHAT LEVELS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY’RE ONE IN COMPLIANCE WITH PERMITS BUT ALSO THAT THEY’RE NOT EXCESSIVE HARM TO OUR COMMUNITIES.>>SO WE HAVE A. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF FOLKS TO TESTIFY THAT YOU’RE YOU’RE DONE TELLING US ABOUT THE BILL FOR NO LESS AM THANK YOU REPRESENTATIVE. THEY HAVE A VESTED IT GRANTED GOT THE GUN THEN>>THANK YOU MISTER CHAIRMAN GRAPHIC OFF YOUR MINNESOTA POLLUTION CONTROL AGENCY AGAIN IT’LL JUST BE ME. MISTER CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO TESTIFY ON HOUSE BILL AS I MENTIONED EARLIER OUR GOAL IS TO PROTECT AND IMPROVE THE ENVIRONMENT AND PUBLIC HEALTH HUMAN HEALTH. AND WE ARE OPEN TO ANY CONVERSATION AND ANY LEGISLATION TO HELP US BETTER ACHIEVE OUR MISSION. WE DID JUST COMPLETE THIS THIS BILL IS ENCOMPASSING AND IT WOULD APPLY TO ALL FACILITIES THAT HAVE AN AIR PERMIT WHICH WOULD BE MORE THAN 2002 T’S IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA. AND WOULD REQUIRE I’M A FAIRLY LARGE STAFFING INCREASE ON THE PART OF THE AGENCY. WE ARE NOT TAKING A POSITION ON THIS BILL BECAUSE IT HAS BUDGET IMPLICATIONS AND AGENCIES ARE NOT TAKING. POSITIONS UNTIL AFTER THE GOVERNOR’S BUDGET IS RELEASED TO THE LEGISLATURE AND NEXT MONTH. BUT I WILL SAY THE WE OPEN TO CONTINUING TO WORK WITH THE AUTHOR TO SEE IF THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO SCOPE THE SPILL. THAT’S MY TESTIMONY THANK YOU MISTER CHAIRMAN. HERE IN.>>INCREASES IN NECESSARY FUNDING FOR PEOPLE IS THAT IS THAT BECAUSE M B SHARES GO TO BE DOING MORE THAT CASTING A PRIEST IF THAT WAS SAID I MISSED THAT.>>MISTER CHAIRMAN YES WE JUST FINISHED OUR FISCAL NOTE AND WE HAD A NUMBER I BELIEVE IT WAS OVER 100 NEW FT EASE AND THE FISCAL NOTE WAS UPWARDS OF 15 MILLION A YEAR.>>LET ME JUST DOES A AND B DO ANY. EACH WITH SAMPLING ON ANY OF THESE NOW. THE MISTER CHAIRMAN.>>THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION; I’M LOOKING AT ONE OF OUR SCIENTISTS TO ME IN THE AUDIENCE; THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS NO.>>OKAY THAT THAT THAT THAT I WAS WONDERING WHAT WHAT LEVEL OF THE.>>IT WAS BEING PURSUED HERE FEEL OKAY THEY’RE GOOD. THANK YOU THANK YOU. MISTER CHAIRMAN AND. I’M SURE THEY GET THAT FROM QUESTION TO HANG ON A MINUTE AND SOMEONE MIGHT BE FOR YOU MR. THINK YOU SHARE A GUEST IS A QUESTION FOR NBC. BECAUSE THAT WAS FOLLOWING THE AUTHORS TO SOME OF THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THIS. ARE YOU COMFORTABLE YOU’RE LOOKING AT THE RIGHT THINGS ON THESE PERMITS OR.>>I MEAN THIS ARMY LIKE THE AGENCY WAS REALLY BEING INDICTED THIS ABSOLUTELY NOT HAVING A CLUE. WHAT’S GOING BE CUT OFF WITH YOU THAT’S WHAT I HEARD. FROM THE STANDPOINT ARE YOU LOOK AT THE RATE THINGS OBVIOUSLY THE COMPANIES RESPONSIBLE FOR TO TAKE THOSE MEASUREMENTS AND THAT HE REALLY FEEL THAT JUST ARE MISSING THE BOAT HERE NOT LOOK AT THE RIGHT THINGS THAT I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THE 8 THAT’S GOTTEN TO DO WITH THE GOVERNOR’S BUDGET ON MY I’M ASKING FROM A MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD QUESTION I MEAN.>>MISTER CHAIRMAN AND REP SENATE LUECK THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION I APPRECIATE IT. I DON’T THINK THERE’S A STATE AGENCY IN EXISTENCE IN THE COUNTRY THAT IS PERFECT BUT I DO THINK THAT WE HAVE A SYSTEM THAT MANY OTHER STATES ALSO HAVE YEAH WHICH IS AN OPTION UNDER THE FEDERAL CLEAN WATER ACT EXCUSE ME FEDERAL CLEAN AIR ACT IT’S LATE IN THE DAY HIGH POUCH WHICH IS FOR A SYSTEM THERE WE WORK WITH A PERMIT HE TO SET UP A SYSTEM IN THEIR FACILITY BY WHICH THEY WILL MEET AIR QUALITY STANDARDS THEY NEED TO MEET AND THEN THAT SYSTEM CONTINUES TO RUN AND THE ENTITY REPORTS BACK TO THE AGENCY; I’M ON A SELF REPORTING BASES. WE’RE NOT THE ONLY STATE THAT HAS THAT. BUT THAT’S NEVER TO SAY THAT MAYBE THINGS COULD BE BETTER AND WE’RE ALWAYS OPEN TO IDEAS ABOUT WAYS WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO THINGS BETTER. SO WE HAVE I DON’T THINK THAT WE ARE MISSING EVERYTHING I THINK THAT DEBT WE HAVE DATA SUBMITTED TO US AND WE REVIEW THAT DATA. WE DO MAKE INSPECTIONS AND THERE ARE CASES WHERE SITUATIONS LEE QUITE A KREMLIN WHERE THESE MACHINES ARE IN CASE TO HUGE. YOU KNOW; I’M NOT GOING TO SAY WE DIDN’T DO ANYTHING WRONG. BUT I’M NOT GOING TO SAY WE DO EVERYTHING WRONG BECAUSE I DON’T BELIEVE THAT WE DO. BUT WE ARE ALWAYS OPEN TO LOOKING FOR BETTER WAYS TO DO THINGS.>>I THINK MISTER HAGGIS IS A FOLLOW-UP. LET’S JUST SUPPOSE FOR A MOMENT. MINNESOTA WASN’T THE A DESIGNATED BY EPA TO TO REGULATE THIS WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT COME IN AND TAKE THOSE MEASUREMENTS PLACE DEMAND THAT THE REGULATED AND THE PROVIDE THOSE MANAGEMENT.>>MISTER CHAIRMAN AND STRIPS AND LUECK YES IF THE IF THE MPCA DID NOT HAVE GET DELEGATED AIR POLLUTION ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY DELEGATED FROM THE US EPA AND THEN THE US EPA REGION 5 HUSH CONGO WOULD COME IN AND DO THAT WORK IN MINNESOTA. PUT A LITTLE FINER POINT ON IT WOULD THEY GO IN AND TAKE THE MEASUREMENTS AS. AS AS THIS BILL WOULD PROVIDE OR WOULD THEY DEMAND THAT AS AS YOU FOLKS TO THAT.>>THE U.>>TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MAJORING IN THAT THOSE RECORDS ARE AVAILABLE. AND I’M NOT SURE IT APPEAR THAT CITY THAT ARE SENT A A THE MPCA TO. TO EXAMINE. THEY WERE JUST DESERT. THERE’S LOOKS ME LIKE AND YOU BROUGHT THE SUBJECT UP UH NO IT’S NOT THE FINANCE COMMITTEE THAT WE’RE TALKING $50 MILLION IN A HUGE EXPANSION OF THE AGENCY TO GO OUT AND BE TAKING MEASUREMENTS AND RUN EQUIPMENT. THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE INTER SHE WOULD NORMALLY BE DOING SO I I’M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE DESIGNATED THEN DESIGNATED BUSINESS FROM EPA FROM STATES WHERE THEY DON’T HAVE AN MPC 8 SO WHAT I’M ASKING IS WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. DO WHAT’S IN THIS BILL RIGHT NOW.>>MISTER CHAIRMAN THE COUPLE OPENED UP ON THIS SO GOOD.>>THAT MISTER CHAIRMAN ASKED MY SAYS COMMISSIONER CRAIG MCDONALD TO. INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND PERCENT MY NAME IS CRAIG MCDONALD SERVED AS ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER FOR AIR AND CLIMATE POLICY AT THE PEACE HERE. MISTER CHAIR AND REPRESENTATIVE THE EPA WOULD REQUIRE THE COMPANY TO COME IN AND 2 REPORT; WHATEVER PARAMETERS THEM DECIDED THAT PERMIT PROCESS AND THAT PERMIT AND REPORTED TO DIRECTLY TO THE EPA.>>JUST ONE QUICK FOLLOW-UP THEN AND ALSO WHY ARE THESE PERMITS ARE THEY RENEWED EVERY 5 YEARS OR THE SOME OF THOSE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER SO THAT EVERY 50 YEAR. THERE IS A GENERAL REVIEW ON RENEWING THESE THREATS. MISTER CHAIR AND REPRESENTED LOOK IT DEPENDS ON THE PERMIT SO TO BE APARTMENTS HAVE REPORTING REQUIREMENTS.>>STRINGENCY OF THE REPORTING REQUIREMENT DEPENDS ON THE POTENTIAL TO ADMIT FOR EACH PERMIT SO THAT HELPS SHAPE WHAT THE COMPANY HAS TO REPORT. THANK YOU MISTER I THINK THERE MAY BE SOME CONFUSION OVER WHAT THE BILL REQUIRES. AND I’M READING NOW FROM A LINE 2.8 OF THE BILL. WHICH SAYS EACH AIR QUALITY PERMIT MORE MY POINT IS THAT THIS IS NOT REQUIRE THE PCA TO GO OUT AND DO TESTING IN FACILITIES. WHAT THE BILL SAYS IS TEACHER QUALITY PERMIT ISSUED BY THE AGENCY MUST CONTAIN A COMPLIANCE THE TERMINATION OF PROTOCOL. THE CONSIST OF A LIST OF METHODS. THE AGENCY REQUIRES A PERMANENT FACILITY TO EMPLOY THE PHYSICALLY MEASURE THE ACTUAL EMISSIONS OF THESE POLLUTANTS EMITTED BY THE PERMANENT FACILITY AND THE FREQUENCY WITH WHICH THE AGENCY REQUIRES THE PERMANENT FACILITY TO EMPLOY EACH METHOD. NO BILL STATES THAT THE THAT THE FACILITIES ARE DOING THE TEST AS DIRECTED BY PCA.>>MOVE MOVE OVER HERE FOR THE TAKING. THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR. FIRST THE LOVE THANK YOU FOR THAT I’M STILL NOT CLEAR ON ON WHAT’S GOING ON IN THE BILL BUT THAT BEING SAID MISS GOT YOUR TESTIFIED; I BELIEVE SHE SAID THAT THERE’S ABOUT 2000 50 MIN PERMITS THAT ARE IMPACTED BY THIS BILL. REPRESENTATIVE WAS AWAKE. IS IT YOUR INTENTION THAT ALL OF THOSE PERMITS ALL ACROSS THE STATE ARE GOING TO BE SUBJECTED TO. WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR BILL.>>IT WAS A MISTER CHAIR PERCENT PP AND I THE COMMISSIONER MENTIONED THAT WE’RE CERTAINLY OK WITH SCOPING THIS AFFAIR. FACILITIES THAT ARE PUTTING OUT MORE HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS OR LARGER AMOUNTS THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW. IN THE BILL. THERE ARE ALREADY SOME WE SEE WHERE THAT BEGINS. UNDER SUBDIVISION FOR STARTING ON THE BOTTOM OF PAGE 2. THERE ARE. SOME. GUIDELINES WHAT TURNED FROM PERFORMANCE TESTS ARE REQUIRED AND HOW OFTEN FOR FACILITIES BASED ON CERTAIN FACTORS LIKE WEATHER WHAT THEIR PERMIT CONTAINS SO AND WE ARE CERTAINLY OPEN TO IF IT’S SCOPING OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE MAKING A MORE SPECIFIC TO FACILITIES THAT ARE REALLY PUTTING OUT LARGE AMOUNTS OF TOXIC CHEMICALS ARE VERY TOXIC CHEMICAL CERTAINLY MAKING THAT A REQUIREMENT I THINK THE BIGGEST THING WE WANT TO GET AT IS WE KNOW THESE TOXIC CHEMICALS ARE OUT THERE. BUT WE DON’T ACTUALLY MEASURE THEM AND THAT’S A BIG CONCERN FOR FOLKS WHO ARE BEING EXPOSED TO THESE TOXIC CHEMICALS IN THEIR COMMUNITIES. THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR AND.>>REPRESENT LAST WEEK YOU SAID THAT YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR NORTHERN METALS AND WATER GREMLIN AND ONE OTHER. AND YOU SAID THAT THESE ARE NOT ISOLATED. AND SAYS HE ALSO SAID THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER CASES WHERE THIS HAS HAPPENED CAN YOU GIVE ME A LIST OF THOSE OTHER CASES THAT.>>SO LET ME JUST FIND THAT PIECE OF MY TESTIMONY. SO I THINK THE LIST LET ME JUST FIND THAT PAGE HERE THE LESS THAT WE HAVE. HAS. 3 CASES PLUS WATER GREMLIN AND THOSE ARE JUST IN THAT PAST SEVERAL MONTHS WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN PRESS ABOUT THOSE BE ON WATER GRAHAM AND I’M SO I’M NOT SURE IS. IF PCA OR SOMEONE ELSE COULD SPEAK TO IF THIS IS BEYOND THAT; BUT THESE ARE JUST CASES THAT HAPPENED LAST COUPLE MONTHS THAT WE’VE HAD MEDIA COVERAGE ON.>>BUT THE BIG THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR; WELL; MISTER CHAIR AND MEMBERS I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE BROAD SCOPE OF THE BILL. THERE’S 2000.>>IF THE IN IF I’M HEARING YOU RIGHT THERE’S PROBABLY 10 THAT THAT PROBABLY WOULD FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY THAT YOU’RE TRYING TO IDENTIFY. I JUST HAVE A LOT OF TROUBLE WITH. THE OVERREACHING A NATURE OF THE BILL. ON PAGE A 2 OF THE BILL ONLINE 2.2 9 YOU TALK ABOUT A 3RD PARTY UNDER CONTRACT. WOULD BE THE 3RD PARTY.>>THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR REPRESENTS A THE 3RD PARTY WOULD BE IN PIECE FOR EXAMPLE WITH WATER GRAHAM AND THEY HAVE A LABORATORY KNOWN AS WINK THAT IS THE 3RD PARTY FACILITY THAT IS DOING THE MINE DURING THE TESTING FOR FOR THEM AS THEY HAVE THIS ONGOING INVESTIGATION AND FOLLOW UP WITH PCA SO THAT’S AN EXAMPLE OF OF WHO THE 3RD PARTY COULD BE WOULD BE SOMEBODY WHO WAS CAPABLE AND WHO DOES THIS SORT OF WORK AS AS THAT THEIR JOB.>>THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR OF THE LAST WHAT YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY OF THE PERMITTED FACILITIES ARE ALREADY USING A 3RD PARTY TO HELP THEM WITH THEIR MONITORING AND REPORTING.>>MISTER CHAIRMAN BEN I DON’T KNOW THAT I’M A LOT OF THE COMPANIES THAT HAVE PERMITS THAT ARE DOING THIS THEY GENERALLY JUST DUE SOUTH REPORTING THEMSELVES. SO IF IT’S IF THEY HAVE ANY SORT OF MEASUREMENTS OR DOCUMENTATION; THOSE RECORDS AND DOCUMENTATION ARE THINGS THAT MINE ARE SAYING THAT THEY’RE KEEPING TRACK OF AND THEY’RE PROVIDING TO THE MPCA.>>MISTER CHAIR; THANK YOU VICTOR CAN. THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR AND A. I MEAN THE REALITY IS WE DON’T KNOW HOW MANY THE OTHER FACILITIES ARE BREAKING THE LAW WITH THEIR AIR MISSIONS BECAUSE WE’RE NOT CHECKING WHICH I’M PRETTY SURE IS THE UNDERLYING POLICY GOAL OF WHAT WE’RE TRYING TO DO HERE. YOU KNOW SO KEEPING FOCUSED ON THE POLICY THE POLICY IS FOR YOU LET THE INDUSTRY CONTINUE TO REGULATE ITSELF AND DEPEND ON WHISTLEBLOWERS AND. YOU HAPPENING TO CATCH PEOPLE WILL OUR THEM TURNING THEMSELVES IN TO KNOW WHETHER THIS IS HAPPENING. SO I THINK IT’S IT IS A LARGE SCOPE BUT WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED OF AND I THINK WHAT WE HEARD FROM FOLKS IN IN OUR COMMUNITY IS THAT 17 YEARS HOW DID IT TAKE 17 YEARS BECAUSE WE WEREN’T MONITORING THEM VERY CLOSELY THEY WERE MONITORING THEMSELVES. AND SO I THINK THE YOU KNOW HOW MANY CAN YOU NAME OFF THE TOP HEAD OF THE REALITY IS WE DON’T KNOW WE DON’T KNOW AND I THINK THAT IT’S GOOD THAT WE’RE TRYING TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THAT SO I’M UNLESS THE MPCA WANT TO ANSWER QUESTION OF. HOW MANY FACILITIES ARE POLLUTING THAT YOU DON’T KNOW ABOUT. WHICH I’M GUESSING YOU CAN’T ANSWER SO I WON’T I WON’T PUT YOU ON THE SPOT; THAT’S THAT’S THE THING WE’RE TRYING TO GET TO HEAR SO THANK YOU. THE 3RD ANDERSON. THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR.>>I WOULD AGREE WITH THE PRESIDENT OF AVIAN. THIS IS CASTING A PRETTY WIDE NET AND JUST A QUICK COMMENT ON WHAT REPRESENTATIVE BECKER-FINN JUST SAID. THIS BILL DOESN’T CHANGE THE FACT THAT HE PERMITTED FACILITY ON LINE TO CAN IS EXACTLY THE ONE WHO WAS. DOING THE TESTING SO IF ANYTHING IS CHANGING WITH THAT I’M NOT SO SURE DOES BECAUSE THEY’RE STILL ONES THAT ARE REQUIRED TO DO WITH THIS DETERMINATION. PROTOCOL AND MY QUESTION TO THE BILL AUTHOR IS GRAIN ELEVATORS AND ETHANOL PLANTS ALSO HAVE AIR QUALITY PERMITS AND YOU KNOW HOW WE WOULD MEASURE DUSTIN THE FALL THESE WINGS FROM CORN WHEN THEY UNLOAD THAT IN THEY’RE IN THEIR BUNKER FOR FOR A 2 WEEK PERIOD BUT WITH THAT FALL ALSO UNDER THE THE AUTHORITY OF OF THIS LEGISLATION IF IT WERE TO PASS AND TO. IS THAT THE TYPE OF THING YOU’RE LOOKING AT IN TERMS DID. IN THE A REAL PART OF THE STATE TO SOME OF THE WORKINGS THAT ARE GOING ON. REPRESENT LOVELY.>>MISTER CHAIR REPRESENT ANDERSON THAT’S NOT THE INTENT OF THIS LEGISLATION AND I DON’T I GET I DON’T KNOW SPECIFIC EVERY SINGLE FACILITY OR COMPANY THAT FALLS UNDER THESE SPECIFIC.>>CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WE HAVE LISTED HERE; BUT I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THOSE WOULD NOT FALL UNDER HERE JUST GIVEN THE FACT THAT IT’S NOT. THE HIGHER LEVELS AND THAT REALLY TALKS A CHEMICAL SO I CAN’T SAY FOR SURE IF THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THIS; BUT CERTAINLY NOT THE INTENT OF. WHAT WE’RE TRYING TO DO ARE REALLY TRYING TO GO AFTER LARGE EMITTERS AND FOLKS WHO ARE COMMITTING VERY TOXIC CHEMICALS.>>THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR; AND I THINK I’M GOING TO PIGGYBACK ON REPRESENTATIVE ANDERSON’S TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. REPRESENTATIVE A WAS LIKE WHAT.>>HOW CAN WE HOW CAN WE MOVE THIS THING FORWARD IF WE DON’T KNOW WHAT EFFECT. SECONDLY; I’M STILL CONFUSED MAYBE MPCA CAN HELP THE SECOND PART OF THIS QUESTION. THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY THIS ARE STILL SELF-REPORTING. WHAT IS THE 100 ADDITIONAL FTE IS IF I’M HEARING CORRECTLY GOING TO BE DOING BACK IN INFANCY. MISTER CHAIR AND REPRESENT PLACEMENT THE FTC’S HAVE TO REVIEW THE DATA. SO OBVIOUSLY WHEN YOU HAVE MORE FREQUENT REPORTING BUT WE STILL NEED SOMEBODY TO GO THROUGH THAT DATA TO CHECK AND TO DETERMINE ITS VALIDITY TO SEE IF THERE’S ANY ANOMALIES WITH THAT THAT’S PART OF IT AS WELL IF WE DO FIND SOMETHING THERE BECOME PLAN TO ENFORCEMENT STAFFING AS WELL. MISTER KERIK AN ADDRESS AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT QUESTION OR REPRESENT HINES SO IF YOU PAGE TO LINE 2.2 9.>>THIS HAS A 3RD PARTY UNDER CONTRACT TO FACILITY OPERATING UNDER AN AIR QUALITY PERMIT ISSUE THAT AND US REPORT THE RESULTS OF THIS 3RD PARTY CONTRACTOR WOULD BE REPORTING THESE ARE RESULTS OF THE TESTING.>>A REPRESENTATIVE THAT WASN’T THAT WASN’T THE QUESTION I’M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WE DON’T KNOW WHO THIS IS GOING TO BE AFFECTING AS REPRESENTATIVE ANDERSON WAS SPECIFICALLY TRYING TO THINK DRIVE AT. HOW CAN WE BE MOVING THIS LEGISLATION FORWARD AS I THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY REASONABLE TO TRY TO NARROW IT OUT OF THE EVERY CULTURE ISSUE; BUT THAT COULDN’T BE DONE. AT LEAST AND THE TESTIMONY I JUST HEARD A MOMENT AGO WE SO. IF WE DON’T KNOW HOW IT’S GOING TO BE AFFECTING GREEN. ELEVATORS HOW CAN WE BE MOVING LEGISLATION UNDERSTAND. NOT SURE THERE’S AN THANK YOU MISTER OF THEM HAS BEEN SO IF YOU LOOK IN ANDERSON DIVISION 4.>>AND IT’S NOT THAT WE’RE NOT NARROWING IN IT SO I CAN’T TELL YOU IF A SPECIFIC. COMPANY WOULD FALL UNDER THIS REQUIREMENT I DON’T HAVE A LIST IN MY HEAD OF EVERY SINGLE COMPANY A FACILITY THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THOSE LIST THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PERFORMANCE TEST.>>THIS COMMENT IF IT SEEMS LIKE IT’S BE REASONABLE TO SAY THAT WE KNOW THIS CAN THIS ELEMENT OF OUR COUNTY WOULDN’T BE AFFECTED OR WOULD BE WE HAVE THE BILL RIGHT IN FRONT OF US. I DON’T UNDERSTAND THEM IN THE CRITERIA HERE CAN’T ELIMINATE THAT ISSUE AS REPRESENTIVE ANDERSON BROUGHT UP. THAT YOU NEED. BUT THANK YOU MISTER I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS THIS IS NOT ABOUT PROTECTING POLLUTERS IS PROTECTING CITIZENS AND THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING.>>THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT WHEN WE GO ON TO THE FINANCE COMMITTEE THERE COUPLE OF THINGS I’M THINKING ABOUT THAT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW YOU’VE GIVEN A FAIRLY LARGE FISCAL NOTE ON THIS. THIS IS THERE A WAY I ASSUME ALL THIS IS REPORTED BY EMAIL. AND. ISN’T THERE A PROGRAM THAT COULD BE SET UP TO JUST. WHAT SHOULDN’T BE I CAN’T IMAGINE THERE’S NOT A WAY FOR SCIENCE TO DO THAT THAT’S ONE THING SO TO ASK THAT IN THE NEXT COMMITTEE AND ALSO. THIS IS A BIG AMOUNT OF MONEY TO SPEND. I AM THINKING ABOUT THE BIG AMOUNT OF DAMAGE DONE. IN THE TCE CASE AND WOULD LIKE TO BE REMINDED HOW MUCH WAS THE FIRE LINE THERE THAT REALLY REPRESENTED THE DAMAGE DONE.>>MISTER CHAIR AND REPRESENT FOR ANY US THE FIND THE CIVIL PENALTY FINE WAS 4 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS FOR WATER GREMLIN OTHER. PERIMETERS AROUND THE STIPULATION AGREEMENT BROUGHT IT TO MY ABOUT $7 MILLION THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE CEP AND ONGOING MONITORING COST BUT THAT’S ONE COMPANY DOING ONE SET OF DAMAGE. MISTER CHEN; REPRESENTATIVE LOOKING IS THAT CORRECT. WE WOULD ACTUALLY MAYBE SAVE BIG MONEY. MISTER THANKS FOR THE COMMENT. THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR AND I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR MISTER LOFTIS SINCE WE’RE WALKING THROUGH DEFINITIONS HERE.>>I LOOK AT LINE 1.1 4. HAZARDOUS AIR POLLUTANTS SO THE DEFINITIONS I THINK OUR DEFINING THE TERM FOR THE TASK AND WITH THE IS A HIS CORN CHAFF. CONSIDERED A HAZARDOUS AIR POLLUTANT HISTORY OF.>>MISTER CHAIR REPRESENTED HANSEN I DON’T BELIEVE THAT IT IS. THANK YOU AND I’M LOOKING AT ON LINE 3.7 CHEMICAL OF HIGH CONCERN. SO DUST HISTORY LEFT BE CONSIDERED A CHEMICAL OF HIGH CONCERN. MISTER CHAIR REPRESENTED HANSEN KNOW WOULD NOT BE. AND THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR AND THEN EVEN FOR.>>OR WHERE THERE IS A COMMISSION OF A HAZARDOUS AIR POLLUTANT IT HAS CERTAIN WE GO TO ONE 0.1 6 1.1 7; ONE PUT IT ON A 1.1 9 THAT PUTS CONDITIONS ON THAT IS THAT REPRESENT THAT TO THE AUTHOR OF THE BILL REPRESENT IT WAS LIVE. IT IT HAS THE AIR POLLUTION POLLUTANT HAS TO BE IN EXCESS OF A 100 TONS PER YEAR IS THAT CORRECT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE’S FAIRLY COMMON DEFINITIONS THERE ARE INVOLVED RELATING TO THE POLLUTANT AND WHEN IT HAS A BACK TO 3.7 A FACILITY EMITS A POLLUTANT IDENTIFIED AS A CHEMICAL OF HIGH CONCERN. SO I’M ASSUMING THERE IS A LIST ON 3.1 8; 3.8 AT THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH OF THOSE CHEMICALS OF HIGH CONCERN IS THAT. CORRECT EITHER A PERSON WAS LICKED.>>THE MISTER CHAIR REPRESENT HANSEN YES THAT IS CORRECT.>>THANK YOU. THE BIG THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR ALLY MORE CONFUSED. UM. BECAUSE ON PAGE 2; 2.8 2.9 2.1 0. IT SAYS EACH AIR QUALITY PERMIT ISSUED BY THE AGENCY MUST CONTAIN A COMPLAINT TERMINATION PROTOCOL. SEEMS TO ME TO BE. NOT SINKING UP WITH. QUESTIONING HER COMMENTS IT. CHAIR HANSEN WAS MAKING SO MY QUESTION TO THE AGENCY IS VERY SIMPLE VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND MISS KA HERE SAID THAT THERE ARE ABOUT 25. EXCUSE ME 2050 PERMITS ARE IMPACTED BY THIS BILL. THE WAY YOU READ THE BILL DOES EVERY PERMIT THAT ISSUED AN AIRPORT IS EVERY FACILITY THAT ISSUED AN AIR PERMIT GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY THIS BILL. MISTER CHAIR REPRESENTED FABIAN THAT IS THE WHERE STAFF IS WHAT THE BILL. THANK YOU TO TAKE YOUR APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION SO THEN DOES THAT INCLUDE SAY HAAS.>>THAT WILL OR A CLINIC OR SCHOOL OR CITY THAT HAVE STANDBY GENERATORS FOR EXAMPLE.>>MISTER CHAIR UP AND FABIAN ANY FACILITY THAT IS REQUIRED TO HAVE AN AIR MISSIONS PERMIT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO PORTIONS OF THIS. THANK YOU DAVID; THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR; SO MY POINT IS THAT WE’VE HEARD ABOUT BUSINESSES AND BUSINESSES WE LIKE TO GET AFTER BUSINESSES NOW AND THEN.>>BUT THIS IS ALSO GOING TO IMPACT US UP ALAN KEYES AND HOSPITALS AND SCHOOLS AND THOSE AS WELL CORRECT.>>MISTER CHAIR AND REPRESENT A FABIAN ANYONE WHO HOLDS AN AIR PERMIT WOULD BE IMPACTED. THANK YOU. YOU PUT IT IN HERE.>>THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR WELL IT JUST ON THIS LINE OF QUESTIONING ON 2.8 THAT EACH AIR QUALITY PERMIT REQUIREMENT IS FOR SUBDIVISION TO THE COMPLIANCE TERMINATION PROTOCOL SO THAT IS FOR DETERMINING PROTOCOL WHEREAS THE PERFORMANCE TESTS ARE NOT AS AN INCLUSIVE THING BECAUSE YOU GET INTO THE. THE CONDITIONS. OF WHERE THEY’RE REQUIRED UNDER THE AGE 3 SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE NARROW AS WE GO THROUGH THE BILL THAT THERE’S PROTOCOL THAT’S REQUIRED AND THEN A SMALLER SUBSET HAS THE REPORTING REQUIREMENTS AND THEN A SMALLER SUBSET THAT REQUIRES A PERFORMANCE TESTS. IF IF THAT’S MIKE RECREATING A MAYBE I WOULD ASK MISTER THE LEFT I’M READING THAT RIGHT BECAUSE I WANT TO BE LEAST UNDERSTANDING THIS AS WELL AS. A MYSTERY EVERYONE ON THE COMMITTEE.>>REP AND REPREHENSIBLE YOU ARE CORRECT IN TERMS OF. SO THE VISION FOR THE BILL WHICH RELATES TO TOOK THE STACK TEST THIS SETS UP A SCHEDULE AS TO HOW OFTEN STACKED TEST WILL BE REQUIRED BY THE PCA AND IT DIFFERS ACCORDING TO THE TYPE OF FACILITY WHETHER IT’S SOME MAJOR FACILITY WHETHER IT’S PUTTING OUT HAS OCCURS PERMITS OR HAS IT OR AIR POLLUTION. WHAT ITS MOST RECENT SEC TEST MIGHT SHOWN THOSE ARE GOING TO DEFER FOR FOR EACH. AIR FACILITY IS GOING HAVE A DIFFERENCE LOT BASED ON THEIR CONDITIONS THAT THEY’RE LOCATED IN AN AIR NON-ATTAINMENT AREA IT WOULD BE TESTED MORE OFTEN. BUT IT’S ALSO THE CASE THAT SUBDIVISION TO THE DETERMINATION PROTOCOL. GOES AS AS IT’S DRAFTED NOW EACH AIR QUALITY. PERMIT ISSUED BY THE AGENCY. SO THERE’S 2 DIFFERENT PARTS. PART ONE APPLIES TO ALL PERMIT HE’S THE SECOND PART DEPENDS WHERE THOSE PERMIT HE’S FALL WITHIN THE SCHEDULE. THAT I THINK YOU MISS SHARE. AGAIN SAID THIS QUESTIONS FOR MPCA.>>IS THIS IN ANY WAY GOING IMPACT THE HER MANAGEMENT RULES IN AGRICULTURE. SPECIFICALLY UNCONFINED OPERATIONS. MISTER CHAIRMAN THE BOOK THAT IS NOT SOMETHING I’M AWARE WE CAN GET BACK TO YOU ON. SO MISTER CHAIR TO THE ANSWERS. WE DON’T KNOW. AT THIS POINT. MISTER AS REALLY A QUESTION FOR THE AUTHOR; NOT YOU. AGAIN THAT’S A BIG DEAL. THERE’S A THERE’S A A THE WHOLE AREA OUT THERE FROM AN THE WINNER MANAGEMENT. WITH SOME OF THE CONFINED OPERATIONS WE DO VERY CAREFULLY A MONITOR AND CONTROL. AARON AND THE OWNER AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS. AND MISTER CHAIR AND REPRESENTATIVE LOOK LOOKING OVER AT OUR IT SAID IT WOULD NOT APPLY TO THE MANURE MANAGEMENT.>>WE’VE GOT THAT ANSWER.>>THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR; YOU TO THE AGENCY ON PAGE 3. ON LINE STARTS ON 3.2 0 FACILITY WAS POLLUTION CONTROL EQUIPMENT HAS UNDERGONE A SIGNIFICANT ALTERATION REPAIR OR REPLACEMENT. I’M UNDER THE IMPRESSION FROM THE PEOPLE THAT I VISITED WITH WHO DO REPLACEMENT. YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A VERY EXTENSIVE PERMITTING PROCESS TO REPLACE EQUIPMENT TO REPAIR EQUIPMENT HOW WOULD THAT. IF YOU HAVE TO DO THAT RE PERMITTED IN ESSENCE IF YOU’RE DOING NEW FIRST CLARIFY FOR ME DO YOU HAVE TO RE ISSUE A PERMIT I HAVE HAD THE SITUATION A FEW TIMES IN THE DISTRICT THAT I REPRESENT MEANT SO MUCH GOING TO REPLACE OR REPAIR THEIR EXISTING. AIR HANDLING EQUIPMENT. DO THEY NEED TO IT AND WHAT IS THE PROCESS INVOLVED IN THAT.>>MISTER CHAIR REPRESENTED FABIAN; IT DEPENDS ON THE EXTENT OF CHANGE BEING MADE. THERE ARE TIMES WHERE THERE WOULD BE AN AMENDMENTS TO THE PERMIT WHICH WOULD BE REOPENED AND THAT WOULD BE A PERMITTING PROCESS DEPENDING ON CHANGES TO AIR HANDLING THAT NEXT WE WHAT IT WAS SOME REPAIRS MAY NOT TRIGGER THAT.>>THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR LAST QUESTION SO THEN WHAT BECAUSE OF THAT PROCESS THAT YOU HAVE THERE ONLINE 3.2 2 IT SAYS THAT THAT PERFORMANCE TESTS MUST BE DEMICK IN 90 DAYS IS THAT NECESSARY. IF YOU’VE GONE THROUGH THE OTHER PERMITTING GETTING UP TO THAT POINT.>>MISTER CHAIR AND REPRESENT FABIAN. I THINK THIS GETS TO THE AUTHOR’S INTENT ABOUT WHEN THEY WANT THAT THERE I’M OBVIOUSLY IF POLLUTION CONTROL EQUIPMENT NEEDS TO BE PERFORMANCE TESTED. IF WE SEE IT AS PART OF OPENING UP THE ACTION WE WANT TO SEE THAT AND THAT IS A CONDITION OF SOME PERMITS. IF I MIGHT JUST COMMENT ON THAT SPECIFIC PIECE THIS IS THIS IS LARGELY BECAUSE OF THE CONTINUED FAILURE OF POLLUTION CONTROL EQUIPMENT.>>IN WATER GREMLIN AND NOT TESTING EVERY TIME AND NOT BEING ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE POLLUTION CONTROL; BUT IT WASN’T WORKING CORRECTLY; AND THEN HAVING THIS LONG TIME LONG PERIOD WHERE WE HAD THE EMISSIONS HAPPENING.>>THANK YOU FOR THAT THEY THINK THAT A GOOD PLAYER THAT. THIS BILLS IN FRONT OF US BECAUSE WE HAD 2 BAD ACTORS IN. LOOK THERE PERMITTING SYSTEM AND THEN THE PERMIT YOU’RE GOING TO BE EVALUATED AND THOSE THAT NEED ATTENTION WILL GET ATTENTION AND THOSE THAT DON’T LIKELY WON’T IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THAT THAT THE WAY IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE A SET UP AN A A DATE MYSELF BUT IT’S IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE WE’VE GOT A TRUST BUT VERIFY GOING ON HERE. AN. YOU KNOW WHEN WE TRUST FOLKS TO DO THE RIGHT THING IF THEY DON’T AND WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO PREDICT HUMAN HEALTH SO. SO. IN THE DEAL JOHN THE LIST THE REGION; ONE MOTION HOUSE 5; 3; 3; 7; EVAN BAYH RAEFORD ENVIRONMENT; NATURAL RESOURCES FINANCE. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION JAY I I OPPOSE.>>TOO.>>REPRESENTATIVE WAS LOOK WE HAVE POST WELL 3; 3; 7; 8; AND ON A SECOND HERE. HOW WELL 3; 3; 7; 8; I WANT TO MOVE HOUSE WELL 3; 3; 7; 8; THE APPROVED EARLY VERSION OF IRONMAN AFTER RESOURCE FINANCE. REAGAN WAS THE WAY WOULD YOU PLEASE TELL US ABOUT THOSE 5; 3; 3; 7; 8;>>THANK YOU; MISTER CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS. HOUSE FELL 3; 3; 7; CAME OUT OF CONCERNS THAT CAME UP IN DISCUSSIONS WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS AROUND THE LACK OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT SPECIFICALLY. REGARDING COMMUNITY INPUT INTO AGREEMENTS THAT MPCA SIGNS WITH COMPANIES; I’M SOMETIMES NOT A STIPULATION AGREEMENT IN THE CASE OF WATER GREMLIN KNOWN AS A STIPULATION AGREEMENT I THINK IN THE OPENING TESTIMONY AHEAD FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP THERE WAS A MENTION OF 1500 TREES BEING PLANTED AND THAT WAS A PART OF THE SEPARATION AGREEMENT THAT HAPPENED THAT WAS PART OF THE AGREEMENT THAT MPCA AND WATER AGREEMENT SIGNED TO FURTHER CONVERSATIONS WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS EXPRESSED THAT AGAIN WHILE PLANTING TREES IS A GREAT LOVELY THING TO DO IT REALLY DIDN’T HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE BIGGEST CONCERNS THAT FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY HAD THAT THEY WANTED TO SEE SOME SORT OF CONVERSATION AROUND WHAT WOULD THE COMMUNITY LIKE TO SEE THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE THE ONES WHO ARE IMPACTED BY THE BY THE EMISSIONS AND THEY WANTED TO SEE SOMETHING IN THE STIPULATION AGREEMENT THAT HAVE ONE GET THEIR INPUT ON IT; BUT REALLY HAVE AN IMPACT IN THE COMMUNITY BEYOND PUTTING SOME TREES IN PLACE. THEIR CONVERSATIONS AROUND DOING SOME SORT OF HEALTH IMPACT STUDY OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD REALLY HELP KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHAT SORT OF IMPACT THIS HAD ON THE COMMUNITY AND THERE WAS CONVERSATION AROUND THAT AS BEING SOMETHING THAT THEY MAY HAVE DONE IF THEY HAD HAD INPUT AND IF THEY HAD THAT CONVERSATION SOUTH. I’M PLAYING MEMBERS HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT THERE ARE SEVERAL INSTANCES DURING THE ENTIRE PROCESS FROM JANUARY OF LAST YEAR UNTIL NOW WHERE FOLKS FELT LIKE THERE WAS A TON OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT THERE WASN’T A PUBLIC NOTICE. TO TRYING BUT THAT ISSUE BY BY HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE ANY SORT OF AGREEMENTS ARE FINALIZED. SO THAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON THOSE AGREEMENTS.>>IS IT THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK COMMISSIONER THERE IS NOTHING THAT THAT FIGHT. THE ONLY NAME I HAVE FOR TESTIFYING ON THE HILL.>>PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND TO SAY THANK YOU MISTER CHAIRMAN MEMBERS CREDIT GOT THEIR MINNESOTA PUSHING CONTROL AGENCY THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO TESTIFY TODAY AND HOUSE BILL 3378.>>THE.>>MINNESOTA POLLUTION CONTROL AGENCY AND ARE COMMISSIONER LAURA BISHOP. WE BELIEVE THAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS A KEY FUNCTION OF THE AGENCY AND WE SHARE THE THEIR SCHOOL OF PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE HEARD. WE BELIEVE THIS IS AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION AND WE WANT TO WORK WITH THE LEGISLATURE TO CONTINUE REFINING AND IMPROVING THE AGENCY’S ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS. HOWEVER AS IT’S CURRENTLY DRAFTED HOUSE FILE 3788 DOES POSE SOME CHALLENGES FOR MY THE REQUIREMENT TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO INFORM THE PUBLIC OF THE NATURE AND EXTENT OF ALLEGED VIOLATIONS. COULD BE SEEN AS A FIGHT IT IS A VIOLATION OF STATE STATUTE CHAPTER; 13.3 9. AND CASE LAW WHICH HAS SAID THAT PRIOR TO. THE CONCLUSION OF AN ENFORCEMENT PROCESS; THE CONCLUSION BEING THE SIGNING OF THE EITHER THE CONSENT DECREE OR THE STIPULATION AGREEMENT BY ALL PARTIES PRIOR TO THE CONCLUSION THAT DATA IS NOT PUBLIC DATA. ALSO PUBLIC HEARING THE TERM PUBLIC HEARING IS CONCERNING TO US BECAUSE WE DON’T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT WOULD REQUIRE. DOES DOES THAT MEAN A FORMAL HEARING WITH AN ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGE DOES THAT MEAN. SOMETHING ELSE SO WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE THAT CLARIFIED AND WE ALSO WANT TO FOR THE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW THE MPC WOULD RESPOND TO OR USE ANY INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE GIVEN TO US BY BY THE PUBLIC. SO FOR EXAMPLE IF THIS BILL DID REQUIRE US TO HAVE AN PUBLIC HEARING ON. BEFORE WE FINALIZE A STIPULATION AGREEMENT AND THE COMMUNITY VOICED PREFERENCES OR CONCERNS OR REQUIREMENTS OR DESIRES OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. I DON’T WHAT THE DISPOSITION WOULD BE OF THOSE BECAUSE THE NEGOTIATION WITH. PERMIT VIOLATOR IS BETWEEN THE PERMIT BY LATER IN THE AGENCY. SO THAT WOULD BE WE DON’T WE DON’T WANT TO SET UP A PROCESS WHERE PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED. EVEN MORE. SO WE WE ARE ALWAYS SUPPORTIVE OF FINDING WAYS TO DO OUR WORK AND WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE AUTHOR TO FIGURE OUT HOW GET TO IDENTIFY MEANINGFUL ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES. MISTER CHAIRMAN THAT’S MY TESTIMONY THANK YOU.>>BUT THEY DON’T HAVE ANY THAT MORNIN ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE TO LOOK AT THE PLAY. WE’RE AGAINST THIS BILL. ANYBODY GIVEN UP QUICK AND NUMBER.>>THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR; SO. HE’S GOT HERE; YOU SAID IN YOUR TESTIMONY THAT. WHEN YOU’RE WORKING ON YOUR CONSENT DEGREE AND SO FORTH THAT SOME OF THAT INFORMATION IS NOT PUBLIC. ON LINE AND THIS WOULD BE FOR A MYSTERY LOOK TO MAYBE TO COMMENT. A LOT OF LINE 1.1 0. SAYS TO INFORM THE PUBLIC OF THE NATURE AND EXTENT OF THE ALLEGED VIOLATION. ARE THE ARE THE NATURE AND THE EXTENT OF THE ALLEGED VIOLATIONS. PUBLIC INFORMATION AT THAT POINT.>>MISTER CHAIRMAN AND REP SAID FABIAN. THANK YOU FOR THE UNDER CURRENT LAW CHAPTER; 13 THAT INFORMATION WOULD NOT BE WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CONSIDER THAT INFORMATION PUBLIC INFORMATION. IT’S MY UNDERSTANDING.>>I WANT SOME CONFIRMATION AND I CAN TALK TO A MISSED REAL OFFLINE ALTHOUGH HE’S VERY VERY GOOD AT WHAT HE DOES YOU CAN PROBABLY FIND THE ANSWER.>>MISTER CHAIRMAN I’M IF I’M A MOM SO. THE COMMISSIONER I’M UNDER CHAPTER; 13.3 9 SUBDIVISION 2. THE COMMISSIONER CAN MAKE A DATA ACCESSIBLE IF THERE’S A DETERMINATION THAT THIS ACCESS WELL; EITHER 8 THE LAW ENFORCEMENT PROCESS; WE’LL PROMOTE PUBLIC HEALTH THEY’RE SAFE HE AND OR WILL DISPEL WIDESPREAD RUMOR OR UNREST. SO THERE THERE IS AN OFF RAMP THERE. WE DID USE THAT THAT PROMOTING PUBLIC HEALTH. RATIONALE IN HAVING A PUBLIC MEETING PRIOR TO THE CONCLUSION OF OUR NEGOTIATION OF THE NEGOTIATED AGREEMENT WITH WATER GREMLIN COMPANY. WE DID NOT HEARING ON THE NATURE AND EXTENT OF THE ALLEGED VIOLATIONS. WE FOCUSED ON THE PUBLIC HEALTH IMPLICATIONS AND THE PUBLIC HEALTH CONCERNS. AND HAD THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH THERE TO PRESENT QUITE A BIT OF THAT PRESENTATION WAS AT THEM. SO WE HAVE USE THAT AS A WAY TO HOLD A HEARING BUT IN THOSE HEARINGS WE DO NOT DISCLOSE. DETAILED INFORMATION ABOUT VIOLATIONS OR ANYTHING THAT WE WE USED TO TALK ABOUT PUBLIC HEALTH TO THE COMMUNITY.>>THANK YOU AND GET A QUICK QUESTION AND NETWORK THAT WOULD INCLUDE LIKELY THAT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT DOESN’T ABOUT POTENTIAL HUMAN EXPOSURE TO CHEMICAL X OR WHATEVER.>>MISTER CHAIRMAN YES; THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TALKED ABOUT THE WORK THAT THEY HAD DONE AND WHAT THERE GRANDMOTHERS THE IT FORMED BASED ON RESEARCH AND THEN THEY COULD SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH THE COMMUNITY.>>IF MISTER CHAIR COULD YOU JUST REMIND ME WAS THIS FOR THIS BILL IS GOING. WHO WOULD TO A ENVIRONMENT FINANCE.>>AND THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR OF THE SCOTT HAVE FEW CONSIDER. ASKING THE LEGISLATURE TO I’M ROBIN EXCEPTIONS IN ANYWAYS SO THAT CITIZENS WHO ARE IMPACTED. WE’LL KNOW MORE.>>MISTER CHAIRMAN AND REPRESENT THE GENIUS. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION UM I DON’T KNOW THAT I CAN SAY DEFINITIVELY WHAT DISCUSSIONS THAT ON ON AT THE AGENCY AND WHAT HAVE NOT WE HAVE HAD MEN MANY MANY MANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE IMPLICATIONS OF THE WATER KREMLIN SITUATION IN THE NORTHERN METALS SITUATION. BUT I DON’T KNOW AND I HAVE NOT BEEN PRESIDENT WE HAVE DISCUSSED SPECIFICALLY WHAT YOUR. BEFORE WE COME YOU COME TO COME. FINANCE COMMITTEE IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF YOU WALL WITH THINK ABOUT. NOT USING THE LAW AS A BARRIER TO TALK THE CITIZENS BUT FIGURING OUT A WAY THAT THE LAW COULD HE USED AS A WAY TO SHARE WITH THE SUNS. IF YOU GIVE ME A SECOND HERE WE ACTUALLY INTRODUCED LEGISLATION SOMEWHERE ALONG THOSE LINES LAST SESSION IF YOU GIVE ME A SECOND TO PULL IT UP I CAN. IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT I CAN SAY SOMETHING THAT YOU HEARD THAT MISS MISSION GOT IT; THANK YOU. MISTER CHAIRMAN REPRESENTATIVE MCKINNEY US SO. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU’RE SEEING AND POLICE ALSO UNDERSTAND FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE THAT. THE NEGOTIATIONS TO DO A STIPULATION AGREEMENT OR CONSENT DECREE; THOSE ARE VOLUNTARY ON THE PART THAT PERMIT HE. SO THEY CAN DECIDE NOT TO DO THAT IN WHICH CASE WE WOULD THEN HAVE TO TAKE THEM TO COURT. AND IF WE HAVE TO TAKE THEM TO COURT AND THAT IT WILL TAKE A LOT LONGER AND FOR US TO GET RESOLUTION TO THE SITUATION FOR THAT UNITY. SO WE’RE ALWAYS TRYING TO BALANCE. COULD IT BE NEW COSTS TO TAXPAYERS MORE. IF I COULD MISTER TO AGAIN USE. ALSO HAVE TO BALANCE. AND THEIR BALANCE WOULD BE DO WE REALLY WANT TO GO TO COURT. BECAUSE THE E. COURT COULD IMPOSE MUCH MUCH MUCH TOUGHER FIGHT SINCE THEN HAS BEEN YOUR PATTERN SO IF I WERE SITTING ON THAT OTHER OR LOOK AT THE BALANCE DIFFERENTLY SO I STILL WOULD ASK MY QUESTION JOHN CAN YOU LOOK AT THE EXCEPTION AND SEE IF THERE IS A WAY TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION THAT WOULD WORK BETTER FOR THE COMMUNITY. IF YOU REPRESENT GOOD EAST. YES; OF COURSE WE CAN’T THANK YOU AND IF I CAN JUST HOUSE HAS FOUND 2382 INTRODUCED LAST SESSION IS ACTUALLY ADDING I’M A SECTION INTO THAT THAT’S AS MUCH SO THAT A COMMUNITY AWARENESS OF PREPAREDNESS FOR OUR RESPONSE TO RELEASE OR A THREATENED RELEASE.>>IN THE ENVIRONMENT OF A HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCE OR POLLUTANTS OR CONTAMINANT AS THOSE TERMS ARE DEFINED IN SECTION ONE 15 BE POINT YOU’RE TOO. SO WE DID HAVE LEGISLATION ON THAT LAST TO TRY AND TO TRY AND HAVE MORE CIRCUMSTANCES. WHERE WE COULD HAVE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION OUT THERE. THIS WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO HEAR ABOUT AS WE BECOME THE FINANCE COMMITTEE.>>AMID QUESTIONS OR 30 S FOR AUDIENCE ON REGARDING THE BILL IS NOT. I’M GOING TO MY MOTION THAT HOLDS A 3; 3; 7; 8; THEY REPAIRED ENVIRONMENT NATURALLY FIRST FINANCE DIVISION. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE AYE>>MEMBERS WERE GOING TO BE THE PRIME MINISTER THERESA. WE COME BACK A DIFFERENT PLACE YOU A BETTER MORE BILL HERE BILL. ♪ ♪ ♪>>ARE GOING TO COME BACK TOWARD ARE HERE AND. THE COUPLE MORE BILLS TO HEAR. THERE IS A RANSOM. REGION WAY THAT JEN BECKER-FINN NEED TO PRESENT THE BILLS FOR REPRESENT CLAFLIN. SO WE’RE GOING TO GO TO HOUSE FILED 3; 1; 8; GENERAL. JEN AND AND THEN A MOVE THAT.>>OK MILES 3; 1; 8; YEARS; THE RESEARCH AIR ENVIRONMENT NET TO RECHARGE FIND EVERYONE. HUNTER TO GET AROUND ONE YEAH. OK AND I TAKE IT ALL WE’RE GOING I’M GOING TO A BILL THROUGH. THEY’RE 2; 3; 1; 8; 1; HERE HANSEN WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE 3; 1; 8; 1;>>I WOULD MOVE THE HOUSE HOW 3; 1; 8 ONE AND REFERRED TO THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.>>OK VERY GOOD VERY GOOD. THE DEMOTION PLEA FOR SHE TELLS ABOUT THE BILL.>>ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MISTER SO THIS IS A BILL THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THE USE WHAT ARE COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS DISPOSABLE WIPES FREE FROM BEING LABELED ARE ADVERTISED AS FLUSHABLE WELL FOR SAFE FOR SEWERS AND I’M GOING TO TURN IT OVER RIGHT AWAY OUR FIRST TESTIFY OR AND HE CAN EXPLAIN WHY WE NEED THIS BILL.>>WE’VE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND SEE. THANK YOU. MISTER CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE CRAIG JOHNSON WITH THE LEAGUE OF MINNESOTA CITIES VERY MUCH APPRECIATE COMMITTEE TAKING TIME TO LOOK AT THIS ISSUE. THIS BILL IS A IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. THERE ARE PRODUCTS THAT WE’VE ALL SEEN WE’VE ALL USE THAT ARE VARIOUS TYPES OF WIPES THAT ARE USED FOR HYGIENE PURPOSES; PRIMARILY YOUR FOR CLEANING. AND SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN DESIGNED IN A WAY THAT THEY BREAK PARKER EASILY IN CIRCULATING WATER LIKE NOT FOR THE PAPER WOOD.>>MANY OF THEM DO NOT THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IS THAT IMPACTS OF THOSE CAUSE WHEN THEY GO INTO A SOURCES. YOU’RE GOING TO HEAR FROM A COUPLE CITY OFFICIALS THAT CAN GIVE YOU DETAILS ON THAT SWALLOWED WE BET FOR THEM. I DO WANT TO STRESS IS THAT WHAT WE’RE DOING IN THIS BILL IS ASKING FOR A LABELING REQUIREMENT FOR NOT ASKING FOR RESTRICTION ON THE PRODUCT AND THE LABELING IS THE EXACT SAME LABELING THAT THE INDUSTRY RECOMMENDS IT PEOPLE USE ALREADY BUT IT’S VOLUNTARY FOR. IT’S THE SAME LABEL AND THE SAME STANDARDS THAT THAT THEY ALREADY USE AND WE ARE JUST ASKING THAT IT BE MANDATORY INSTEAD OF VOLUNTARY BECAUSE OUR ONLY WAY TO ADDRESS THIS AS CITY UTILITIES IS TO EDUCATE PUBLIC AND WE CAN’T TELL PEOPLE WHICH PRODUCTS ARE SAFE TO USE AND FLUSH AND WHICH ONES ARE NOT THEY ARE NOT PROPERLY LABELED WHETHER THEY ARE SAFE TO FLUSH OR NOT. SO THAT’S ALL THIS DOES IS ASK THAT WE HAVE THAT CONSISTENCY OF INFORMATION SO THAT CITY UTILITIES CAN THEN GO FORWARD AND EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE HOW TO BEST MANAGE THESE PRODUCTS IN THEIR OWN HOMES. MISTER CHAIR THAT’S A THAT’S THE BASICS OF WHAT THE BILL DOES IT THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT AFFECTS EVERY SIZED CITY IN THE STATE. IT COSTS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN MANY OF THESE CITIES EVERY YEAR. MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ACROSS THE STATE EVERY YEAR. AND IT AFFECTS EVERY SYSTEM FROM THE SMALLEST TO THE BIGGEST AND ALL THAT ARE TESTIFY OR SPEAK TO THAT THE CHAIR TO SAVE TIME. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU AND WE DO HAVE HERE FOR QUESTIONS YESTERDAY.>>WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF DEATH; THE LINED UP THE MIKE. MY RIGHT HERE IN THE ACTUALLY A PLACE IN.>>MIKE OUT OF MONEY MS. FRANKS THEM KEY. WELL I WILL TESTIFY FIRST OK VERY MISTER CHAIR AND COMMITTEE THANK YOU FOR A LISTEN TO US C C EVENING; I GUESS MY NAME IS FRANK’S TEMPTING WORK IN THE UTILITY INDUSTRY FOR 20 YEARS THE PAST 16 YEARS. I HAVE WORKED IN THE WASTEWATER DIRECT INDUSTRY IS A TRAINER’S A TECHNICAL ADVISER FOR MINNESOTA; RURAL WATER ASSOCIATION THEY SAID ABOUT THE LAKE MINNESOTA. I JUST WANT TO SHARE A MESSAGE IN TODAY’S HEARING FOR THIS EVENING’S HEARING. HOW DISPOSABLE WIPES IN THE INDUSTRY HAVE CHANGED THE WAY UTILITIES DO BUSINESS. IN THE WASTEWATER COLLECTION SYSTEMS AND THE TREATMENT FACILITIES I WOULD SAY THAT STARTED PROBABLY IN ABOUT THE ERROR OF 2005 IN MINNESOTA. ROLAND POPULATED COMMUNITIES HAVE HAD TO SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO ADAPT TO DEAL WITH THE WHITE INDUSTRY. WORLDWIDE PUMP. TEACHERS HAVE HAD TO CHANGE AND EVOLVE THE WAY THEY BUILD THEIR OWN PUMPS. TO DEAL WITH THESE AND OFTEN TIMES UNSUCCESSFUL WITH THE. SO-CALLED DISPOSABLE LIGHT. SOME OF THE ADAPTATION SO I’M GONNA GIVE YOU KIND OF AN OVERVIEW FROM A 30;000 FOOT VIEW REPRESENTING ALL HINDER IT 152 COMMUNITIES ARE IN CORPORATE NEWS IN MINNESOTA. SOME OF THE ADAPTATIONS THAT MANY COMMUTERS HAVE NEEDED TO HAVE NEEDED TO ADD OR GO THROUGH DURING AN UPGRADING OF WASTEWATER TREATMENT COLLECTION SYSTEMS OR PUMP STATIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS. SOME OF THESE CAN BE KIND OF HOW THEY SOUND SEWER TOURS MUFFIN MONSTERS. PUMP STATIONS FROM A SOME BASKETS TO CRANES WEEKLY REMOVING THESE THESE THESE WIPES OFTENTIMES COSTING 20 TO 25% MORE UPGRADES TO THEIR SENATOR RESORT COLLECTION SYSTEM. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THESE ARE CHEWED UP IN THE COLLECTION SYSTEM THAT OFTENTIMES FOURBALLS AND STRINGS VERY LONG AND LENGTHY KIND OF GROSS LOOKING OFTEN TENT RESEMBLING ANYBODY’S RECALLS THE ADAMS FAMILY COUSIN IT TO THE PUBLIC THERE’S THERE’S HUGE RAGS THAT HAVE WON AND WOVEN IN AFTER EVEN BEING SOMEWHAT TREATED. LETTING US KNOW THAT THEY ARE NOT. SO UTILITIES HAVE HAD TO ADAPT AND CHANGE WHICH IS VERY COSTLY OFTENTIMES THE SCREENS PULLING FROM THESE ARE PULLING THESE PUMPS UP FROM DEPP’S OF 15 TO 30 FEET TO UNRAVEL A 3 TO 6 WHAT ONE MIGHT OBVIOUSLY TO PREVENT A MAJOR CATASTROPHIC SEWER BACKUP. WHICH OFTENTIMES CAN COST HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS WITHIN MINUTES. SO OUR PUMP OR UTILITY INDUSTRY IS HAVING TO CHANGE THEIR WAYS VERY COSTLY. EXPENSIVE REAL-TIME SKI THE SYSTEMS HAVE BEEN INSTALLED EVEN ROLL REMOTE AREAS THE STATE. BECAUSE WE NEED 24 7 COMMUNICATION WITH THIS PUMP STATION OFTENTIMES BECAUSE PUMPS PLUG. AND WE’RE TRYING TO AVOID OBVIOUSLY CATASTROPHIC BACKUPS. I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT TO BRING YOU GUYS ARE THIS GIRL. LAWMAKERS EXTREMELY THIS EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE TOPIC. MISTER SPEAKER IN COMMITTEE I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO THESE IMPORTANT TOPICS AS I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF ALL 853 INCORPORATE COMMUNITIES AND OUR GREAT STATE OF MINNESOTA. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU.>>AGAIN I’VE GOT A LIST HERE IN IT IF HAVE AN ORDER FOR A GOOD OUTCOME ON>>INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND CHRISTINE THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MIKE YOU KNOW UTILITY OPERATIONS ENGINEER FOR THE CITY MINNETONKA. THANK YOU FOR TAKING TIME TAKING TIME TO DEDICATE HER DEDICATE TIME TO THIS IMPORTANT TOPIC AND ALLOWING ME TO SHARE OUR EXPERIENCE OF THE CITY MINNETONKA. THE CITY’S SEWER SYSTEM OPERATES AND MAINTAINS 39 LIFT STATIONS AND 260 MILES OF SANITARY SEWER PIPE. SO IMAGINE IT BY RUNNING FROM DOWNTOWN SAINT PAUL THE GRAMMAR A THAT IS OUR SEWER SYSTEM IN THE CITY. WIPES ARE A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTING FACTOR TO OUR LIFT STATION FAILURES AND SEWER BACKUPS. ARE LIFT STATIONS ON AVERAGE WE HAVE A PUMP GO DOWN IN THE LIFT STATION ON AVERAGE AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK. SO WHAT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN DAWSON AN OPERATIONAL LEVEL. WE NEED TO SEND 2 OF OUR STAFF FOR APPROXIMATELY HALF A DAY TO PULL THE PUMP OUT OF LIFT STATION CLEAN. THE PROBLEM; ALTHOUGH ALL THE WAY UP SO TO THE PUMP AND REINSTALL THE PUMP TO GET THAT LIFT STATION BACK IN OPERATION. AND THAT’S BEST CASE SCENARIO WORST-CASE IT CAN BURN UP UPON IT CAN BURN UP A CONTROL PANEL. A LOT MORE ALTERNATIVES. SO WE AS A WE’VE TRIED TO BE ACTIVE. WE HAVE ADDED GRANGER PUMPS TO 5 OF OUR 39 WITH THE COST OF 20 TO $30;000 PER LIFT STATION. SO WERE A $125;000 OUTFIT THE ARREST OF LIFT STATIONS; WE’RE LOOKING AT 2 THE NEXUS OF ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS TO OUT SPECIAL PUMPS TO TO A TRAIN GRAINED SOME ARE SOME OF THESE WIPES. AND THAT’S JUST OUR LIVES STATIONS LOOKING AT OR GRAVITY SEWER LINES. THOSE CITY MINUTE TALK WORTH FORTUNATE TO HAVE AN ADEQUATE WE WERE ABLE TO SPEND $200;000 TO BUY A SEWER JETTING TRUCK SO WE CAN GO IN CLEAN OUR SEWER PIPES WITH OUR OWN AND WE DO THAT RIGHT NOW. ARE 260 MILES OF PIPE. WE’RE ON A 3 YEAR ROTATING CYCLE. SO WE’RE CLEAN A 3RD OF THE CITY’S PIPES EVERY YEAR. IN ADDITION TO THAT ANY PIPES THAT EXPERIENCE A BAD HELP WE PUT ON A 6 MONTH CYCLE. SO WE CLEAN ROUGHLY A 100 A 100 MILES OF PIPE EVERY YEAR WITH WITH OUR TRUCK KNOW THAT THAT COMES OUT WITH A LABOR EXPENSE TO WE’RE COMMITTING HALF OF ONE OF OUR OR A SEWER OPERATORS. THE GOAL IN THE TRUCK EVERY YOU KNOW EVERY YEAR GOTTEN IN CLEANUP 100 MILES OF PIPE. YOU WILL BETWEEN THE LIFT STATIONS BETWEEN TO LIFT STATIONS IN QUEENS WHO ARE PAID WE’RE WE’RE LOOKING AT ONE FULL-TIME PERSON EVERY YEAR. THAT IS JUST DEDICATED TO THOSE ITEMS AND YOU KNOW AGAIN WE’RE A CITY MINUTE WE’RE FORTUNATE THE EYE OF 13 OPERATORS ON MY STAFF THERE ARE A LOT OF CITIES OUTSIDE THE METRO AREA THAT ARE NOT NOT AS FORTUNATE; THEY JUST THEY DON’T HAVE THE LABOR OR OR OR BUDGET TO AFFORD TO DO SOME OF THESE THINGS. THEY ALSO IN I WOULD THROW TONIGHT AFTER LISTENING TO THIS RIVETING TESTIMONY ON ON WIPES IN THE SEWER SYSTEM. YOU GET HOME AND YOU WALK THE HOUSE WITH A BASEMENT; FULL OF RAW SEWAGE. YOUR SYSTEM IS BACKED UP. YOU CALL THE CITY AND THEY TO A VARIABLE THAT CLEAN THE CLEAR UP THE BACKUP WITHIN AN HOUR BUT AT THAT POINT THE DAMAGE IS DONE. YOU HAVE CARPET IN SHEET ROCK AND FURNITURE. A FURNACE THAT ALL NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. SO YOU CALL THE CITY THE NEXT DAY AND SUBMIT A CLAIM. YOUR CLAIM IS DENIED BECAUSE THE CITY HAS BEEN PROACTIVE IN HAS DONE THE MAINTENANCE ACTIVITY AND THEY ARE THEY ARE NOT LIABLE FOR OR THE BACKUP. YOU CALL YOUR YOUR HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE BECAUSE THEY WILL TAKE CARE OF IT RIGHT. YOU EITHER TURN DONOR WORK AWARE THAT YOU INVESTMENT FOR SEWER BACKUP. SO EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY NEVER HAVE FLUSHED THE WAY DON’T YOUR TOILET. IF YOU HAVE NEIGHBORS THAT AREN’T AS DILIGENT AS YOU THAT COULD CAUSE A BACKUP AND YOU ARE ON THE HOOK FOR 10 THE $20;000 AND SEWER DAMAGES. TO REPLACE EVERYTHING IN YOUR BASEMENT; SO IT’S IT’S A REAL ISSUE. YOU KNOW HONESTLY FROM FROM UTILITIES AND PUBLIC WORKS PERSPECTIVE THAT IS ONE OF THE WORST WORSE PHONE CALLS THAT YOU CAN GET IS IS FROM A RESIDENT THAT THAT HAS A SEWER BACKUP. SO WHITE. I APPRECIATE YOU HAVING US HERE GIVING US THIS OPPORTUNITY AH YOU KNOW WE’RE NOT HERE ASKING FOR FOR ANY MONEY TO TO GO OUT AND TRY AND REMEDY THE SITUATION WE ARE JUST ASKING FOR YOUR HELP TO TO IMPROVE THE LABELS TO THE PUT A CLEAR AND CONCISE LABEL ON THESE PRODUCTS SO THAT WE CAN. DO REALLY HELP US EDUCATE EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ON ON WHAT SHOULD AND SHOULD NOT BE FLUSHED DOWN THE SYSTEM SO THANK YOU. MISTER CHAIR AND COMMITTEE.>>THEN A COUPLE MORE ON MY LIST HERE. READILY. PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND PROCEED.>>THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS I’M MY NAME IS CREDIBLY I’M STEPPING IN FOR TIM GREG KEY TODAY. I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF THE 100 PLUS CITIES IN GREATER MINNESOTA THAT COMPRISE THE COALITION OF GREATER MINNESOTA CITIES. AND IN THE INTEREST OF TIME I’M GOING TO KEEP MY TESTIMONY REALLY SHORT. I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT THE 3 GENTLEMEN BEFORE SAID THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR ALL OF OUR MEMBERS SOMETHING THAT COST THEM A LOT OF MONEY IT COST A LOT OF MAINTENANCE HOURS. AND DESPITE THEIR BEST EFFORTS TO AS MISTER SIMKIN MR. CURNOW SAID THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT CONTINUES TO HAPPEN. WE’RE CONTINUING TO SEE THE CONSEQUENCES ACROSS THE STATE. WE URGE THAT THE PASSAGE OF THIS BILL THANK YOU. AND TONY ROCHE.>>PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO PROCEED.>>MISTER CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE MY NAME IS TONY COURSE I SIT BEFORE YOU AGAIN IS THE DIRECTOR OF ENVIRONMENT POLICY AT MINNESOTA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND JUST TO MAKE A COUPLE OF BRIEF POINTS ON THE BILL MISTER CHAIRMAN I’M THE INDUSTRY IS WHERE THE ISSUE IN IS WORKING ON AND IF YOU LOOK IN YOUR PACK IT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THERE IS A CODE OF PRACTICE STARTED IN THE FIRST VERSION WAS IN 2013 AND WAS UPDATED THE SECOND EDITION WAS IN 2017. THAT DOCUMENT WAS PUT TOGETHER WITH INPUT FROM MAJOR NORTH AMERICAN WATER AND WASTEWATER ASSOCIATIONS AND THERE’S 2 IMPORTANT TAKE AWAY FROM THAT DOCUMENT I JUST WANTED TO POINT HIM OUT VERY QUICKLY AND THEY’RE BOLD AND ON PAGE ONE. BUT IT’S AN INDUSTRY STANDARD IN THEIR CODE OF PRACTICE THAT ONLY WIPES DESIGNED TO COME IN CONTACT WITH HUMAN WASTE RELATED GERMS. WHILE IN THE BATHROOM BE CONSIDERED FOR DISPOSAL BE A TOILET. AND THE SECOND BULLET POINT TO MISTER CHAIRMAN IS THAT 80 WAITS GENERALLY INTENDED TO BE USED BY A PARENT OR AN INFANT DISPOSED OF WITH A DIAPER NAPPY SHOULD NOT BE MARKETED AS FLUSHABLE OF THOSE OF THOSE TO DIE TO BULLET POINTS THAT ARE I WANTED TO POINT OUT FROM THE MOST A RECENT COURT A PRACTICE BY THE INDUSTRY MISTER CHAIRMAN ALSO FEEL FLIP BACK I THINK ON THE PAGE 5 FOR EXCEPT ACTUALLY I’M ON PAGE 2 OF THAT PACKAGE IT SETS UP A DECISION TREE THERE ON HOW THESE PRODUCTS SHOULD GO THROUGH AND WHETHER THEY SHOULD BE LABELED FLUSHABLE ARE NON FLUSHABLE AND THEN ALSO ON PEACH FIGHT IT SETS UP THE INDUSTRY STANDARD FOR THAT DO NOT FLUSH SYMBOL WHERE IT SHOULD BE LOCATED ON THE PACKAGE ON THE PRODUCT AND ALSO IF YOU WANT TO BE A OPTIONAL HI TEAM AND SIMPLE ALSO COULD BE INCLUDED ON THE PACKET MISTER CHAIRMAN AND JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT INDUSTRY AS ALWAYS I’M WILLING TO WORK WITH CITIES AND WASTEWATER AUTHORITIES TO SET UP EDUCATION CAMPAIGNS BECAUSE EDUCATION IS THE KEY MISTER CHAIRMAN IN KAPPA STITT COMPOSITION STUDIES SHOW THAT IF YOU LOOK IT’S ALSO THE COLOR HAND OUT IN YOUR PACKET. AS FAR BACK AS 2011 AND AS RECENTLY AS 2000 19 COMPOSITION STUDIES DONE SHOW THAT NON FLUSHABLE BABY RIGHTS PAPER; HOW DOES THAT MEAN IN HYGIENE PRODUCTS AND OTHER THINGS ARE ARE WHAT’S POLAR BEARS HAVE FORGOT WHAT WE ARE NOT NAMING HIM BEFORE BUT I’LL CALL OLDER SISTER CHAIRMAN AND THAT FLUSHABLE WIPES ARE ONE PERCENT ON THE MOST COMPOSITION STUDY MISTER CHAIRMAN I’M. VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THAT EDUCATION IS TAILORING IT AND MAKING SURE THAT YOU USE SOCIAL MEDIA BILL AND CERN’S FLYERS AND A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT WAS PORTLAND MAINE HAD AN AWARD-WINNING PROGRAM WAS CALLED SAVE THE PIPES DON’T FLUSH THE BABY WHY THEY DID A COMPOSITION STUDY BEFORE THIS INTENSE EDUCATION PROGRAM AND THEN AFTER THEY HAD A 40% REDUCTION ON BEFORE AND AFTER THOSE STUDIES MISTER CHAIRMAN ONE FINAL POINT IS IN YOUR PACKETS ALSO IN IT WON’T BE HAND UP; BUT IT I HAVE THE MINNESOTA POLLUTION CONTROL AGENCY DISPOSABLE WHITES TOOL KIT AND HOW TO PERSUADE PEOPLE NOT TO FLUSH IT TALKS ABOUT COMMUNICATION BASE BASICS. THERE’S NO SILVER KEY MESSAGES AND HOW TO SPREAD THAT MESSAGE OUT THAT THAT THIS IS A GREAT WAY TO DO IT. THAT THE PCA HAS ON THEIR WEB SITE MISTER CHAIRMAN AND THEN FINALLY THERE ARE 2 LETTERS IN YOUR PACKET. ONE FROM THE ASSOCIATION OF NON WOVEN FABRICS INDUSTRY AND THEN ALSO FROM THE HOUSEHOLD COMMERCIAL. PRODUCTS ASSOCIATIONS TO CHAIRMAN WITH THAT THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME; THANK YOU VERY CASH IN ON HIM AS WELL AS.>>IT ON REVEREND BILL MENTIONED GET A FOOT IN FROM A COUPLE OF.>>YES PLEASE THANK YOU. MISTER CHAIR AND MISTER QUINN WAS JUST YOU TALKED YOU KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF A KIND OF PUBLIC EDUCATION CAMPAIGNS AND I’M WONDERING IF THE INDUSTRY IS STEPPING UP TO FUND THESE CAMPAIGN SO THAT. YOU KNOW TAXPAYERS OUR GENERAL FUND IS PAYING FOR THE YOU KNOW EDUCATION NECESSARY TO MITIGATE THE DAMAGE OF THIS PRODUCT THAT COMPANIES ARE MAKING MONEY ON. MISTER QUOTE; MISTER REPRESENT GOMEZ I I.>>DON’T KNOW FOR SURE; BUT I WANT TO SAY THERE IS A FINANCIAL COMMITMENT BY THE INDUSTRY WHEN WORKING WITH THE CITIES AND THE WASTE WATER. AUTHORITIES. SUFFICE TO MISTER TELL US THE PROPER LABELING WILL HELP. COULD MISTER CHAIRMAN I’M I THINK THIS TAKES US TO THE OLD ADAGE YOU CAN TAKE A HORSE TO WATER; BUT YOU CAN’T MAKE HIM DRINK. YOU LADLE AND GIVE THE LOCAL 13 THAT I THINK A BITE OUT OF THE>>I GOT HARD IT HAS TO DO WITH THE CONTEXT OF WHERE.>>THE PRODUCT IS USED I THINK IS WHERE THE SITUATION IS AND THAT’S WHY I THINK THIS CODE OF PRACTICE BY THE INDUSTRY IS TRYING TO ST. AND OUT AND IF YOU USE IT THERE DON’T FLUSH. BUT AS MUCH AS WE TRY TO ITS A 6 INDIVIDUAL WAS ON WHAT WE DO WITH THE PRODUCT. THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR AND I WILL POINT OUT AS I’M LOOKING AT THIS.>>SINGLE SPACED VERY LARGE DOCUMENT TRYING TO TELL ME WHAT THINGS ARE FLEXIBLE AND WHAT THINGS AREN’T. IT’S STILL NOT CLEAR TO ME WHETHER A FACE WIPE THAT YOU USED TO REMOVE MAKEUP IN THE IS INCLUDED I DON’T KNOW IF FOLKS ON THIS COMMITTEE ARE AWARE OF BOOKIE WIPES BUT THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER PRODUCT OF LOT OF FAMILIES USE. WITH SMALL KIDS AND IT. IT’S NOT CLEAR SO. I’M ALSO DID ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT TAMPONS HAVE BEEN AROUND A REALLY LONG TIME. AND WE HAVEN’T BEEN HEARING FROM THE CITY’S THE NEED TO EDUCATE FLUSHING THOUGH WAS THAT THIS IS A NEW ISSUE SENSE. WIPES THE COME ON THE MARKET. SO.>>WE HAVE HIM GOING AS THEY DON’T KNOW IF THEY CUT OFF THE DEA OF FOLLOW UP.>>I I I DON’T I GUESS I IT’S.>>THE ASSURANCE DIDN’T SEEM VERY STRIKE US AS I WILL SAY YOU’RE LIKE BUT I THINK SO SO I APPRECIATE IT; BUT I YOU KNOW; I’M JUST SAYING KIND OF I BUT THE PROBLEM THAT THE INDUSTRY HAS CREATED THAT THEY’RE MAKING A BUNCH OF MONEY ON THIS PRODUCT THAT’S CAUSING ALL THESE EXTERNALITIES THAT THE PUBLIC HAS TO DEAL WITH.>>THAT IT’S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF INDUSTRY.>>TO STEP UP AND FUND THE NECESSARY ACTIVITIES THAT GOVERNMENT IS REQUIRED TO DO. SO THAT’S MY OPINION ON IT.>>THANK YOU MISTER GROWTH MISTER CHAIRMAN REPRESENT GOMEZ I WILL FOLLOW UP TO MAKE SURE THAT INDUSTRY FUNDS THAT.>>LIKE I SAID I AM AND SO BUT I DON’T WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS I ALSO WANT TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION BACK TO THE COMPOSITION STUDIES THAT IT’S NOT THE FLUSHABLE WIPES THAT ARE CAUSING THE PROBLEM. AS ALWAYS THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY; MISTER QUALITIES. THEY HAVE ONE MORE TEST FIRED.>>DANA 3RD ANA VENDORS MONTH.>>IMPEACH THESE INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD AND PERCY.>>A GOOD EVENING CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE MY NAME IS DANA VAN DER BOSH AND I AM A DIRECTOR OF THE MUNICIPAL DIVISION AT THE POLLUTION CONTROL AGENCY SO WASTEWATER PERMITTING OCCURS WITHIN MY DIVISION. AND UH I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITIES WHO STUFF ISLAND HOSTILE 3181. IN OUR WORK WITH WASTEWATER OPERATORS ACROSS THE STATE THE POLLUTION CONTROL AGENCY HAS HEARD OVER AND OVER AGAIN VERY SIMILAR STORIES TO THE ONES THAT YOU’RE HEARING HERE TONIGHT ABOUT HOW COSTLY THE PRACTICE OF WASHING THESE WHITES CAN BE FOR CITIES AND ULTIMATELY FOR REPAIRS AND TAXPAYERS WHO ALREADY SHOULDER THE COST OF REPLACING AGING INFRASTRUCTURE. THESE COSTS INCLUDE STAFF TIME INVESTMENTS IN NEW EQUIPMENT AS WELL AS THE COSTS OF CALLING WAY INLAND FILLING. THE MATERIAL THAT COME OUT OF THESE CLOGS. AND THE RESULT IS THAT A CITY’S HALF TO DIVERT SCARCE RESOURCES AWAY FROM PLANNED A MAINTENANCE THAT THEY WERE HOPING TO DO ON THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE TO DEAL WITH THESE EMERGENCY SITUATIONS. SO THE MPCA SHARES THE AUTHOR’S INTEREST IN ADDRESSING THIS BURDEN FOR CITIES SO THAT FUNDS CAN BE SPENT ON MORE LONG-TERM UNPLANNED MAINTENANCE OF THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE. THIS IS A GOOD BILL THAT ADDRESSES A REALLY COSTLY PROBLEM FOR MINNESOTA CITIES AND PROVIDING ACCURATE LABELING IS ONE WAY TO HELP TO PROVIDE CONSUMERS WITH CORRECT INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT CAN BE FRESH AND WHAT CAN’T BE FAST. AND SO WE APPRECIATE THE COMMITTEE’S TIME TO HEAR THIS BELT KNIFE. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WANTS TO TEST THE PLAN. WELL 3; 1; 8; 1;>>ANYBODY COMING FORWARD ANY OTHER COMMENTS QUESTIONS MEMBERS. I THINK YOU MUST SHARE THIS ALL MAKES SENSE OBVIOUSLY ONE OF THE UNFASHIONABLE TO GET FLUSHED REALLY CAUSE A BIG PROBLEM LOW. NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT I’VE BUNCH OF SMALL CITIES AND SANITARY DISTRICT’S SO. THROUGHOUT MY DISTRICT THAT LATE WITH THE STUFF EVERY DAY I GET MY. LIKE NO NOT CONCERNED THAT JUST A QUESTION IS. IS MPCA OBVIOUSLY THEY’VE GOT A TECHNICAL ISSUE HERE IS TO. WHAT THE RESULT IS THEY UNDERSTAND PUMPS AND SANITARY SYSTEMS BUT DON’T WE HAVE OTHER AGENCIES DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE. THAT WOULD REGULATE AND AND CONSUMER PRODUCTS OF I’M JUST WONDERING. IF THEY’RE MISSING IN HERE LOOKED AT NOON AND SHALEE NOT THEY DON’T PLAY IN THIS WORLD.>>MISTER AND OBVIOUSLY I’M NOT THE CHIEF AUTHOR OF THE BILL BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE FIRST STOP FOR THIS BILL WAS THE COMMERCE COMMITTEE SO I ASSUME ANY COMMERCE RELATED ISSUES WERE DISCUSSED AT AT THAT POINT.>>WELL THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR BACK THEN I APPRECIATE THAT BUT I THINK BACK TO REPRESENT LUMIX COMMENT DOES WHY IS MPCA DOING THIS THIS IS KIND OF OUT THERE. AREA OF EXPERTISE AND SO FORTH THAT SHOULD BE THE DEPARTMENT COMMERCE THAT SHOULD BE DOING THIS NOT. NOT IN PCA IS MPCA WANT THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVED THE LABELING AND SO FORTH AND GO OUTSIDE OF THERE. BUSINESS SO I’M ASKING TO SEE IT DIRECTLY TO COME TO THE TABLE AND. WE HAVE THE MONEY TO PUT TO A LOT OF THIS. THEY GOT THERE.>>THANK YOU. MISTER CHAIRMAN I THINK IT MAY BE BECAUSE YOU HAVE REPEATED ANYWAY; THANK YOU WE THANK YOU MISTER; THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR.>>WELL I DON’T KNOW FIRST OF ALL JIM PCA DO THEY HAVE ANY AUTHORITY OVER ANY OTHER KIND OF LABELING GOES ON YOU’RE AWARE OF THIS GOT HERE.>>MISTER CHAIRMAN REP SENATE FABIAN I AM NOT AWARE OF THAT. BUT I WOULD NOTE. MISTER CHAIRMAN THAT I’M ON LINE ONE 0.5 IT LOOKS LIKE THIS BILL WOULD BE PUT IN CHAPTER 3.25 E. SO THAT IS NORMALLY NOT OUR STATUTE THAT. IT’S REALLY I DON’T KNOW; I MEAN I CAN TELL YOU WE KIND OF LOOK AT THAT SOMETIMES THIS KIND OF A NO MAN’S LAND STATUTE. IT’S NOT DEFINITELY ANY ONE AGENCY STATUTE. THERE’S LOTS OF STUFF IN 3.25. WE DON’T SEE THIS AS BEING IN OUR STATUTES. THE EFFECT OF MISTER CHAIR THAT STATUTE.>>THAT YOU JUST SOUNDS A LITTLE BIT LIKE A WASTE WATER TREATMENT FACILITY; BUT WHATEVER SO TO TO THE PEOPLE FROM STAY AND LISTEN; I APPRECIATE WHAT WHAT’S GOING ON HERE DON’T GET ME WRONG. I WOULD THAT THE LEAGUE AND THE COALITION AND THE GOVERNMENT FROM MINNETONKA. CALLER DOCUMENT THAT WAS HANDED OUT IS ACCURATE IN TERMS OF THE PERCENTAGE OF MATERIALS. THAT ARE APPEARING IN.>>HE’S A PURE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AGAIN. DID YOU HEAR THE THE RIDGE AND BACK UP AND I THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR AND I MEAN I WOULD JUST POINT OUT THAT. THIS CAME FROM JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA. SO I DON’T KNOW THAT THEY’VE DONE TESS FORENSIC EVALUATIONS OF MATERIALS THAT EVERY PUMP STATION AT EVERY CITY IN MINNESOTA. WE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AN END.>>MIKE YOU ALSO CITY MINUTE TALK UP PUBLIC WORKS. THANK YOU CHAIR; YES; I HAVE SEEN I WILL SAY THAT WE HAVE NOT BROKEN DON’T. THE CLAUSE THAT WE HAVE FOUND IN OUR SYSTEM AT ALL SO I CAN’T TALK SPECIFICALLY TO THE TO THE PERCENTAGES. I JUST I JUST KNOW THAT WHITE SORROW ARE A BIG ISSUE WITH WITH WHAT WE EXPERIENCE IN OUR OPERATIONS DAY TODAY. AND IT’S IT’S ACROSS THE BOARD IT’S THE IT’S THE BABY WIPES IT SLOW A NON FLUSHABLE THE FLUSHABLE I THINK THAT’S THAT’S THE REAL CHALLENGE WE HAVE IS THAT. WITHOUT A LABEL THAT CLEARLY STATES WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE FLUSHABLE. YOU KNOW IF SOME OF THEM ARE MARKETED AS FLUSHABLE IN SOMEONE IS NOT SURE. EASIEST THING TO DO IS FLUSH THEM DOWN THE TOILET SO I THINK THAT’S THAT’S UNDER THE DIRECTION THAT THAT. WE ARE ASKING FOR AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS IS JUST CLEARLY LABEL HIM.>>THE BABY; THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR AND I APPRECIATE THAT I REALLY DO AND I APPRECIATE THE CIRCUMSTANCES HERE BUT SHOULD WE BE LABELING A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER PRODUCTS THAT ARE SHOWING UP IN THE WASTE WATER AND THE PUMPS AND SO FORTH. IT THAT FAIR QUESTION. I I WILL SEE THAT. I DON’T KNOW OF ANY OTHER PRODUCTS THAT MARKET; WHAT TYPES OF THEIR PRODUCTS AS FLUSHABLE. NOISE I THINK THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE WITH THESE PRODUCTS ALL THAT SOME OF THEM ARE LABELED AS FLUSHABLE WHILE OTHERS ARE NOT AND THAT’S WHERE THE CONFUSION COMES IN. THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR; BUT EVEN AT THAT I THINK YOU HAVE TO AGREE THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT.>>SHOW UP DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AND THEY’RE VERY COMMON AND THEY ARE FLUSHED YEAH IS THAT NOT CORRECT.>>DON’T THAT’S THAT IS A CORRECT STATEMENT.>>TO THE BILL AUTHOR OR THE ADVOCATES FOR THIS WHAT OTHER REQUIREMENTS AND OTHER STATES. IN TERMS OF LABELING AND SO FORTH. THIS MISMATCH ON TARIFF RATE WE’RE GOING TO BE LIKE 3 TO BEAR HERE SOMETHING OUT.>>BUT IF AN>>MISTER CHAIR MEMBERS EXACTLY THAT MINNESOTA CITIES. I AM NOT AWARE OF ANOTHER STATE THAT HAS PUT A MANDATORY LABELING REQUIREMENT IN PLACE ON THIS PRODUCT YET. THE EUROPEAN UNION AN AGREEMENT WITH THE INDUSTRY TO USE THIS LABELING REQUIREMENT ON ALL PRODUCTS SOLD NEAR OPINION. SO THESE MANUFACTURERS ARE ALREADY MAKING PRODUCTS THAT ARE LABELED ACCORDING TO THIS REQUIREMENT FOR SALE THERE.>>YOU KNOW THE QUESTION NOW TO PREVENT HIM FROM.>>THANK YOU. MISTER CHAIR; THE LAST TIME THE LEGISLATURE SAW THIS BILL IS IN 2016. AND IT STALLED. THAT’S 4 LONG YEARS. THAT HAS BEEN SPENT. TO CLEAN UP THE MESS FOR 4 YEARS. USED TO HAVE A REPUTATION FOR LEADERSHIP. THIS IS A CLEAR OPPORTUNITY TO DO LEADERSHIP TO DO PROBLEM SOLVING. THESE ARE PREVENT THE PROBLEM THAT IT IS TO CONTINUE TO PAY TO CLEAN UP. I ASKED FOR ROLL CALL ON THIS BILL AND RENEW MY MOTION TO SEND 31 81 TO THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.>>IF YOU’RE HEADED TO RENEW HIS MOTION HOPEWELL 3; 1; 8 ONE TO NUMBER TO GET RID>>IT IN A ROLL CALL HAS BEEN REQUESTED. PURPLE TAKEN RULED CABLE TIE.>>VICE CHAIR BECKER-FINN I.>>THE LEWITT HELP.>>REPRESENTATIVE A CALM. I REPRESENTATIVE ANDERSON. REPRESENTATIVE BOTH. REPRESENTATIVE CLAFLIN REPRESENTATIVE FABIAN KNOW REPRESENTATIVE GOMEZ I REPRESENTATIVE GREEN KNOW REPRESENTATIVE REPRESENTATIVE REPRESENTATIVE LIPPERT YES REPRESENTATIVE LISLEGARD YES REPRESENTATIVE WE’RE GETTING US YEAH. 9 EYES AND 5 MEN.>>THE ROLL CALL MOTION PASSES. NEXT FILL-UP WHOLE FILE 3; 1; 8; HERE ALSO A CLAP WHEN BILL AND JIM BAKKER FAN AS YOU PRESENT THAT AS WELL. I WILL MOVE THAT WHOLE FILE 3; 1; 8; 0; BILLY BYRD CAME BYRON MEANT NEXT WEEK BILL TO BE APPROVED OR REFERRED TO ENVIRONMENT NATURAL RESOURCE. FINANCE DIVISION. THAT WAS ABOUT THE BILL.>>ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MISTER CHAIR; A HOUSE BILL 3 ONE 8; 0 IS REGARDING A P FEST CHEMICALS IN FOOD PACKAGING. NOT THE FIRST TIME WE’VE TALKED ABOUT THE FAST CAN POLLS IN THE LEGISLATURE; THESE ARE THE CLASS OF CHEMICALS THAT WE COMMONLY REFER TO AS FOR EVER COME. MICHAEL’S SO THE SAME THING INVOLVED WITH THE SETTLEMENT WITH 03:00AM IN THE EAST METRO AS WELL AND AS THE WATER IN THE CITY OF BEMIDJI AND THIS IS THE SAME CHEMICAL THAT WE BANNED FROM FIREFIGHTING FOAM AND HELPFUL PRODUCTS TO PROTECT. OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND LAST SESSION THIS THIS BILL WOULD BAN THE USE OF INTENTIONALLY ADDED P FAST CHEMICALS FOOD AND BEVERAGE PACKAGING.>>THANK YOU FOR THAT WE HAVE A TO SEVERAL FULFILL ARE SIGNED UP. THE>>I’D LIKE TO ASK THAT IF THE FIRES WERE GETTING ON TIME HERE TO LOOK IN CUBA TO COUPLE MINUTES THAT WOULD BE FINED I HAVE A DAVE THEN AND BCA. THESE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND SHE DID.>>GOOD EVENING MISTER CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE MY NAME IS DAVE BANK AND THE DIRECTOR OF THE RESOURCE MANAGEMENT ASSISTANCE DIVISION AT MINNESOTA POLLUTION CONTROL AGENCY. ONE OF OUR DUTIES IS TO GOVERN SOLID WASTE THE PERMITTING AND COMPLIANCE ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITY. APPRECIATIVE THAT YOU BROUGHT FORWARD THIS IMPORTANT BILL TONIGHT THAT ADDRESSES BOTH THE PUBLIC HEALTH AS WELL AS ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH CONCERNS THAT EXIST WITH THE FAA SON. INTENTIONALLY ADDED IN MANUFACTURING AND FOOD PRODUCTS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT THE HUMAN CONSUMPTION FACTORS WHERE IT ENDS UP IN THE WAY STREAM. AND SO IF THE CONTAINER THE P IS IS RECYCLED THAT CAN CONTINUE THE MOVEMENT OF THE P 5 CINTA FUTURE RECYCLE PRODUCTS. SO EVEN IF IT’S RECYCLE THAT CAN STILL STAY THERE FOR ADDITIONAL PRODUCTS LATER ON. IF IT’S COMPOST IT AND A LOT OF THE EFFORTS WE’VE GOT GOING RIGHT NOW IS THAT TRADING IN ORGANICS A DIVERSION. WE’LL END UP POTENTIALLY WITH THAT THE FIRST IN THE COMPOST OR IN THE CONTACT WATER THAT’S ASSOCIATED WITH. COMPOSTING OPERATION COMPOST COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE AN IMPACT TERMS OF THE MARKETING AND THE CONTACT WATER MIGHT BE PROBLEMATIC IN TERMS OF HOW WE HANDLE IN THE END YOU THEY’RE SENDING IT TO WASTE WATER TREATMENT FACILITY ARE USING IT TO APPLY ON THE LAND DEPENDING ON THE CHOICE FOR THE CAMPUS FACILITY. ALSO IF THAT CONTAINERS FINALLY LANDFILL. THE PEACE PROCESS MAY TRANSFER INTO THE LANDFILL LEACHATE WHICH LIKE THE CONTACT WATER IF LAND APPLIED CAN PASS THAT UNDER THE GROUND AND POTENTIALLY INTO THE GROUND WATER OR PERCENT OF WASTEWATER TREATMENT. PLANT CAN PASS IT INTO THE PLANT AND TO THE RECEIVING SURFACE WATER POTENTIALLY. THERE’S AND TREATMENT THERE. SO THE PIECES WORKED SUCCESSFULLY IN THE PAST. WITH THE DEPARTMENTS OF COMMERCE AND HEALTH AND TOXICS AND PRODUCTS AND OTHER THINGS AND SO APPRECIATIVE AND THE ENFORCEMENT AND THAT WE NEED TO YOU KNOW COORDINATE WITH BOTH THOSE 2 AGENCIES AS WE’VE HAD I THINK SOME REAL SUCCESSES IN THAT END WORKING HAVE ACTUALLY FORM THE CHEMICALS IN PRODUCTS UNDER AGENCY TEAM THAT WORKS ON VARIOUS THINGS SO WITH THANK YOU AND THERE’S ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE ANSWER THAT.>>WE’LL GO TO THE OTHER CASE THE FIRES THAT ONE; BUT YOU GOT TO PUT IN REGION HEISMAN. YES; OKAY FOR FIRST AND THEY SEE IT WE THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR AND A DIRECT HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT.>>IN SOME CASES THESE WHO WASTE RECYCLERS OUR LAND APPLYING. THEY’RE THE CHEAT AND SOLIDS IS THAT STILL THE CASE TODAY OR IS THAT SOMETHING WE USED TO.>>BECOMING MISTER CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS DEPENDING ON THE CONTENT OF CONTACT WATER. AS OPPOSED TO LEACHATE FROM A LANDFILL; THE CONTACT WATER CAN VARY IN TERMS OF ITS CHEMICAL MAKEUP. AND SO WE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT BEFORE THE END USES DETERMINED. AND SO LAND APPLICATION IS STILL IN AWE THAT UNITY FOR THE COMPOST YEARS OF IT MEETS THE CRITERIA THAT SET OUT IN TERMS OF LEVELS. WE TAKE A LOOK AT 2 LEVELS ONE IS THAT HELP IS VALUE FOR MATERIALS AND THEN ONCE ALSO CALLED AN INTERVENTION LIMIT THAT INTERVENTION LIMIT ISN’T LEVEL THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IS BELOW THE THE LAND APPLICATION BECAUSE IT STILL GIVES US THE CONSERVATIVE VALUE BELOW THE HEALTH BASE VALUE SO WE’RE WELL UNDER THAT AND ART IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE USE OF LAND APPLICATION FOR OTHER AREAS. 59 TO 52 SECURED I APPRECIATE THAT DIRECTOR>>YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE IS TESTING GOING ON AT THESE FACILITIES THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THIS RECYCLING ACTIVITY. I’M I’M ASSUMING THE MPCA IS INVOLVED IN THAT TESTING. I’M WONDERING IF THOSE TEST RESULTS ARE AVAILABLE FOR ME TO LOOK AT WHERE WOULD I FIND THEM ONLINE OR SOMETHING THAT MUST BE SOMEWHERE. MISTER CHAIRMAN MEMBERS I’D BE GLAD PROVIDE THOSE.>>TO BE DONE 2 THINGS AN ANNUAL BASIS. WE GET TEST RESULTS FROM ALL OF OUR FACILITIES. IN THEIR ANNUAL INCLUDING LANDFILLS IN THE COUPLE’S FACILITIES; BUT ALSO WE’VE CONDUCTED A SEPARATE. LOOK AT THOSE. CONTACT WATER ISSUES AT THE CAMPUS FACILITIES AND HAVE RECENTLY COMPILED REPORT AND THAT WE WOULD BE GLAD TO PROVIDE THAT TOO. JUST FINE. THANK YOU. MISTER CHAIR; THE DIRECTOR.>>THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF PIECES THAT I’M AWARE OF I STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE FEE FAST A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO AND I HAD A NUMBER OF FOLKS THAT HAVE CONTACTED ME WITH SOME PRETTY SPECIFIC 20 QUESTIONS. AND IN SOME CASES FOLKS THAT ARE OPERATING THESE FACILITIES HAVE REQUESTED. TESTING DATA FROM IN PCA AND IT HASN’T BEEN PROVIDED IS A REASON THAT WOULD HAVE TRANSPIRED.>>MISTER CHAIRMAN MEMBERS THE ONLY REASON I THINK IT WILL TRANSPIRE IS THAT THE DATA WASN’T QUALITY ASSURED BEFORE IT WAS READY FOR RELEASE. A LOT OF THE THAT WE DO IN AND LOOKS AT THINGS IN A RESEARCH. THE CHOIR COUPLE DIFFERENT. CHAINS OF CUSTODY IN TERMS OF THE RESULTS JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE READY FOR DISTRIBUTION CARRIERS ARE OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD COMPROMISE THAT THE FINAL FROM EUROPE AND I THINK YOU.>>AND TAKE A DIRECT OR YOU MENTION THAT IF THE TESTING WASN’T QUALITY THAT IT MIGHT NOT BE RELEASED TO THE FOLKS THAT AND MAYBE HAD THEIR LEACHATE TESTED. IF THAT DATA IS BEING USED TO MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER THAT THE CHAIN CANDY LAND A LAND APPLIED OR NOT. WHY WOULDN’T THAT DAN UP BE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE RECYCLER. MISTER CHAIRMAN I’M NOT SURE WHY THAT WOULDN’T BE.>>AND IN THOSE CASES I THINK WOULD WANT TO HAVE THAT DONE WE SHOULD NOT THINK YOU CAN GET WHAT I HEARD REPRESENT HEITMANN THAT SOMETHING ABOUT BEING DEAD BEEN QUALITY ASSURED WITH THAT THAT’S WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD BUT THE CORRECT ME IF I’M WRONG BUT.>>I KNOW THEY DON’T RELEASE THAT UNTIL ITS QUALITY ASSURED; THEY KNOW WHAT’S GOOD.>>I UNDERSTAND MISTER CHAIR; IT’S IN SITUATIONS WHERE A DETERMINATION IS BEING MADE BASED ON THAT DATA YOU WOULD I THINK THAT THE INFORMATION WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO THOSE FOLKS WHO’S HAD THEIR LEACHATE TESTED IN A DETERMINATION MADE.>>IF THE QUALITY ASSURED OF MOVEMENT I WOULD THINK YOU’LL AGREE. THANK YOU VERY TONY CLUB.>>MISTER CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AGAIN MY NAME IS TONY CAUSE SOME THE DIRECTOR OF ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY AT THE MINNESOTA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. TRY AND BE BRIEFED. MISTER CHAIRMAN I KNOW THE EVENING IS LATE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OF POINTS ON HOUSE FILE 3180 WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LOW THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE’RE DISCUSSING RIGHT HERE WE TALK ABOUT PFA S AND EVEN THOUGH IT’S DOWN TO WHEN YOU’LL SEE THE ON THE BOTTOM OF PAGE 1 1.1 9 1.2 ALL DOWN TO ONE FULLY FLOOR NEEDED CARBON WE HAD A PRESENTATION.>>IN>>LET’S ADD WATER COMMISSION AS WELL AS IN REPRESENT A FISHER’S WATER SUBCOMMITTEE THAT IN THIS CLASS OF CHEMICALS THERE IS OVER 4;000 APPLICATIONS OF IT AND WHEN YOU CROSS THAT BACK INTO THE DEFINITIONS. MISTER CHAIRMAN OF FOOD AND BEVERAGE AND ALSO ANY COP PALE FOIL TRAYS RAPPERS FILMS BANKS TUBS ITS HARD TO GO THROUGH AND FIND REPLACEMENTS FOR ALL OF THOSE WEATHER P FOOD OR BEVERAGE OR FOR ALL OF THOSE PACKAGES THAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT INDUSTRY IS WORKING ALONG THOSE LINES THEY HAVE FOUND A REPLACEMENT; BUT SOMETIMES IT WORKS FOR FOOD; IT DOESN’T WORK FOR AVERAGE OR SOMETIMES THE WORKING CUPS; SOMETIMES LITTLE WON’T WORK IN FOIL SO WE’RE WORKING ALONG THOSE LINES. MISTER CHAIRMAN BUT ALSO TIME KEEPING IN THAT LINE OF THOUGHT PACKAGING TOUCHES FOOD AND WHEN IT TOUCHES FOOD; IT BECOMES REGULATED AS A FOOD ADDITIVE UNDER THE FEDERAL FOOD DRUG AND COSMETIC ACT. AND THE FDA. HAS TO BE BEFORE ANYTHING COULD BE SOLD OR DISTRIBUTED. CAN ONLY PROVIDE AFTER THEY PROVIDED SCIENTIFIC DATA AND IT’S SAFE FOR ITS INTENDED USE SO THE FDA IS REGULATING THESE PRODUCTS. THEY REQUIRE THE SCIENTIFIC DATA AND THEY ALSO HAVE WHAT I’M GOING TO CALL VETO POWER WHEN THEY SEE SCIENTIFIC STUDIES THAT COME UP THAT ARE PEER REVIEWED THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO YANK OFF THESE PACKAGES MISTER CHAIRMAN TO OTHER STATES HAVE LOOK AT SOMETHING ALONG THESE LINES. MISTER CHAIRMAN I MEAN BEING ONE OF THEM AND WASHINGTON BEING THE OTHER MEAN AN ACTIVE THERE’S IN 2019 WITH AN AFFAIR THE BAIT OUT TO 2020. BUT THEY ALSO HAD A NUMBER OF OTHER QUALIFIERS IN THERE THEY MUST IDENTIFY SAFE FOR ALL TURNING TO THEIR POLLUTION CONTROL AGENCY THEIR EQUIVALENT MUST IDENTIFY SAFER ALTERNATIVES. THEY MUST BE READILY AVAILABLE THEY MUST BE SUFFICIENT QUANTITY MUST BE OF COMPARABLE COST. AND MISTER CHAIRMAN I READILY ADMIT I HAD TO LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF ZEROS WERE IN THERE. BUT THEY ALSO HAVE AN EXEMPTION FOR ANY MANUFACTURER WHO SELLS LESS THAN UP BILLION DOLLARS IN NATIONAL SALES. SO BOTH THAT’S MEAN IN WASHINGTON THEY ONLY DID FIBER BASED PRODUCTS AND THEY ALSO DID A SAFER ALTERNATIVES ASSESSMENT EVALUATION ALTERNATIVES YOU MUST FOLLOW THE INTERSTATE CHEMICAL CLEARINGHOUSE GUIDELINES. YOU MUST ALSO LOOK AT THE CHEMICAL FOR HAZARD PERFORMANCE COST THE AVAILABILITY AND THEN IT MUST BE PUBLISHED THOSE ALTERNATIVES TO FOUND MUST BE FOR EXTERNAL PEER REVIEW. THEY ALSO SET UP AND I VERY INTENSE PUBLIC IMPEACHMENT PROCESS; INCLUDING GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS; CHEMICAL MANUFACTURERS PRODUCT MANUFACTURES AND COULD BE ON THE RESEARCH GROUPS MISTER CHAIRMAN AND THEY ALSO ONE LAST THING I WANTED TO KIND OF POINT OUT IS THE EFFECT OF D DOESN’T ALLOW WHAT I CALL THE MANUFACTURER RETAIL LEG; SO THIS BECOME IMMEDIATELY EFFECTIVE ON JANUARY FIRST 2021 THAT WOULD STILL BE PRODUCT IN THE SYSTEM AS IT WAS MOVING THROUGH USING WE HAVE TO STOP MANUFACTURING AND THEN SELF THROUGH MISTER CHAIRMAN THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AGAIN APPRECIATE.>>ANYONE AN AUDIENCE THAT’S LOOKING TO TESTIFY. ON HOUSE FILES 3; 1; 8; YOU. ANYBODY JUMPING UP.>>CHAIR. YET REPIN CLINTON DEN AND GROW FROM CLEAN WATER ACTION. COMING TO TESTIFY HAD TO PICK UP A CHILD FROM SCHOOL.>>YOU HAVE SOME OTHER NIGHT; I KNOW IT LOOKED IN ON THIS WAS GOING ON TO HAVE SOME SOME COMMENTS THERE. THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO OFFER RICH IN FIBER.>>I CAN GIVE COMMENTS IN LIGHT OF WHAT. GET TO THE COMMITTEE AND SMILE COMMENTS IS LIVE ON THE EAST AND THAT HER FOR HER AND HER FATHER. THEY ARE AND WITH BY ACTING IN THE SUMMER; IT’S EASIER TO SAY THAT THE PER AND POLY FLORAL OUT THE SUBSTANCES THE EFFECTS FROM THE GULF THAT ARE KNOWN TO CAUSE AS HUMAN HEALTH RISKS THEY’RE KNOWN TO INCREASE CANCER RISK THEY’RE KNOWN TO AFFECT LIVER FUNCTION KIDNEY FUNCTION ARE IMMUNE RESPONSE REPRODUCTIVE SUSPEND AND. WE KNOW THAT THERE’S SCIENCE BEHIND. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CHEMICALS APARTMENTS AND HAVE THESE EFFECTS AND. WAITING FOR THE FDA TO TAKE ACTION ON BANNING THESE FROM THE PRODUCTS AND PACKAGING PRODUCTS. THE FDA HAD EVIDENCE THAT THE F AWAY AND YET THE LESS HARM HUMAN HEALTH FOR DECADES. AND DID NOTHING TO REMOVE THEM. THE AVERAGE PACKAGING. A PLACE FOR MINNESOTA TO TAKE LEADERSHIP AND PROTECT HUMAN; BUT WE KNOW THAT THIS IS THAT. AND OTHER STATES ARE LOOKING AT DOING THE EXACT. REMOVING THESE PRODUCTS FROM FOOD AND BEVERAGE PACKAGING WHERE THEY DO CONTACT OUR FOOD AND THE CHEMICALS MIGRATE INTO OUR FOOD; IT’S ESPECIALLY A PROBLEM WITH. FAST FOOD WRAPPERS AND WITH. SOME OF THAT PICKUP CONTAINERS AND MY GREAT POP FROM BANKS. AFTER THE SHOT MANY PEOPLE IN THE COMMERCE COMMITTEE THAT MIKE REPUBLICAN BASE IS PART OF THEIR GREECE PROOFING. COATED WITH THE BEST IN TEAM. AND WHEN YOU HEAT UP IN THE MICROWAVE THAT HE FACTS. MOVE FROM THAT LINE INTO THE OIL INTO THE FOOD THAT WE’RE EATING INTO OUR BODIES. THIS ALSO AND THAT IN OUR WASTE WATER STREAM AND THAT IN OUR LANDFILLS THAT THE INNER COMPASS TILES IF YOU’VE BEEN HEARING. OTHER FOLKS WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS EXPOSURE. WE KNOW THAT IT IS IN OUR DRINKING WATER AND WE’RE WORKING TO CLEAN IT UP FOR MY DRINKING WATER. JUST ONE MORE SOURCE. DOES POSE A RISK TO HUMAN HEALTH. THEY USE IS BECAUSE THEY USE THEM ANY OTHER. PRODUCTS THAT WE COME INTO CONTACT WITH THE WATERPROOFING ON OUR HOPES. THE STAIN RESISTANT TREATMENTS ON OUR COUCHES AND THEY ARE PERFECT. BUT ADDRESS SCENE. SUCH AN EXPOSURE RIS LIKE OUR FOOD HAS. AND SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT VERY EASILY. WE’RE ALSO WORKING TO IDENTIFY SOME OTHER SOURCES OF EXPOSURE; BUT RIGHT NOW THIS IS. THAT’S A HIGH PRIORITY WE SHOULD TAKE ACTION. AND AGAIN WE REALLY SHOULD NOT BE LEAVING US AND THE FDA OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO ACT IN THE ABSENCE OF LEADERSHIP.>>I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT HAS FOR ROLL CALL.>>HAS BEEN REQUEST A RESIDENT WOOKIE.>>BEING BUT THANK YOU MISS WE LOOK AT 2.4 HERE WE WE SAY THE COMMISSIONER. MAY AND FORCES SECTION SO I GUESS I HAVE A WHAT IS IT IN PCA SAY ABOUT THIS; I MEAN; AND I THINK GOING THEY’RE GOING TO PICK THE BALL UP AND ENFORCE IT OVER. THIS IS SAYS THEY MAY AND SAY THEY SAYS THEY CAN COORDINATE WITH OTHER FOLKS. I’M JUST CURIOUS. WHAT THIS 2.4 5; 6 REALLY MEAN.>>BEFORE AND HE IS BILL MEEHAN ANYBODY WHERE THE. ADDRESSED THE BUTTON. HIT TO RIGHT>>MISTER CHAIR I JUST POINT OUT THAT THIS LANGUAGE IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE ENFORCEMENT LANGUAGE THAT WAS WORKED OUT LAST YEAR FOR THE FIREFIGHTING FOAM BAN SO I DON’T KNOW IF THAT HELPS SOME OF THE PEOPLE SEE HE HAS ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.>>GET THE GEAR THAT PUT IN THE MIX OF ANTIQUE THAT YES MISTER CHAIR DAVE. THANK YOU WITH THE PCA I THINK ALLOWS US THE FLEXIBILITY TO. WORK AND SITUATIONS AND COUPLE DIFFERENT AVENUE COMPLAINT IS THE ONE WAY WE GET INFORMATION TO US. YOU KNOW THE WHOLE IDEA OF OUR ENFORCEMENT IS REALLY TO ACHIEVE COMPLIANCE. BUT THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO ACHIEVE COMPLIANCE THROUGH EDUCATION OUTREACH AND WORK WITH PEOPLE TO GET THE MATERIALS OUT AND THEN WE’D PREFER TO DO THAT SO I THINK IF THERE ARE COMPLAINTS ARE THERE ISSUES THEN WE WOULD NEED TO USE THE TOOLS THAT WE HAVEN’T OR 2 ABOUT.>>SO WORKS IF UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU BASICALLY UH I MEAN JUST HEARD A VERY JUSTIFICATION. COULD JUMP RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS AND GET OUT THERE AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. AND. I AM NOT SATISFIED WITH FROM STANDPOINT; I WHAT ARE YOU DOING RIGHT IN REGULATING THE PACKAGING FOOD.>>MISTER THE REGULATION OF THE PACKAGING REALLY COMES DOWN TO THE DISPOSAL OF THE. PRODUCTS THAT ARE OUT THERE IN TERMS OF WHERE IT ENDS UP AND I THINK THAT’S WHY IN OUR TESTIMONY WE LIKE THAT THIS BEING AN ISSUE THAT ENDS UP IN OUR DISPOSAL STREAM. AND THE NEED TO MANAGE IT WHERE IT COMES THIS WOULD HELP HIM MOVE THAT. AND IF IT CONTINUED I THINK THAT’S WHERE THE ENFORCEMENT WOULD HAPPEN. LOOKING AT IT CONTINUED. PERSISTENCE IN PACKAGING FOR US.>>WE ALSO I SEE WE ALSO GOT A A. LETTER HERE FROM AMERICA FOR SOME PAPER ASSOCIATION APPARENTLY NOBODY WANTS TO TALK AND THEN LOOK TO ME LIKE THERE ARE A PLEASE WITH THE WITH THIS BILL EASES WRITTEN AGAIN I I SHARE THE AUTHORS CONCERN FOR THIS; BUT IT STRIKES ME THAT THIS ISN’T QUITE READY HERE FOR PRIME TIME FROM THE STANDPOINT OF NOT CLEAR TO ME WHAT THE AGENCY IS REALLY WILLING TO DO YOUR TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT PACKAGING FOOD REGULATING SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS JUST A LITTLE FURTHER. OUTSIDE THE THE EU THE PURVIEW WE’VE HEARD VERY CLEARLY THAT THIS IS AN AIRY FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION. AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL REGULATES ACROSS A GOOD SONG AND JUST TO TELL YOU RIGHT UP FRONT AND LET THEM SUPPORT THIS. AND APPRECIATE THE CALL FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE BUT AT LEAST WE’VE GOT THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN WHY I JUST DON’T THINK THIS BILL IS READY YET.>>THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR; I WOULD ACTUALLY LOVE TO TALK ABOUT THIS LETTER OR THAT WE GOT I WAS ACTUALLY DISAPPOINTED THAT NOBODY. IS HERE TO TESTIFY BECAUSE I DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR>>SPECIFICALLY THIS BILL DEALS WITH INTENTIONALLY ADDED P FAST CHEMICALS AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW OTHER THAN MY MICROWAVE POPCORN WHERE THEY ARE ADDING INTENTIONALLY ADDING THESE CHEMICALS TO OUR FOOD PACKAGING IS AS A PARENT AND AS SOME ONE WHO WOULD RATHER NOT GET CANCER DOWN THE ROAD. IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL TO KNOW WHERE THESE CHEMICALS ARE SO THAT IF WE CHOOSE TO AVOID THEM AND I KNOW REPRESENT LISLEGARD LOVES MIGRATE POPCORN SO THAT POKER I WRITE I KNOW IT’S IT’S HARD I MEAN IT IT KIND OF RUINS MICRO POPCORN FOR FOR A LOT OF US BUT IT’S BETTER TO KNOW IT IT ISN’T HELPFUL TO ME AS A PARENT AND A CONSUMER TO NOT KNOW WHERE THEY ARE INTENTIONALLY ADDING THESE CHEMICALS AND SO I THINK MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE ADDING THESE TO OUR FOOD PACKAGING JUST MAKES SENSE. IT’S THE EASIEST ROUTE TO THESE CHEMICALS GETTING INTO OUR BODIES AND AGAIN I’M DISAPPOINTED THEY’RE NOT HERE BECAUSE I HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS.>>THEIR GREEN AND THEN THEY COME BACK TO.>>YOU CAN DO THAT.>>THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR AND I’M HOPING THAT THE MPCA CAN ANSWER A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR ME. THE FOOD COME BACK ON THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR OR START OFF YOU KNOW THIS SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY BIG TASK AND DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE FOODS ARE CURRENTLY SOLD THE PACKAGING CONTAINS THESE CHEMICALS. CANDID I WHERE YOU KIND OF START.>>AND YOU KNOW YOU’VE YOU KNOW; YOU MENTIONED A FAST FOOD WRAPPERS THE WAY UH MISTER CORLISS WAS TALKING WE MAY BE LOOKING AT THE PLASTIC THAT WRAPS HAMBURGER WE BUY FROM THE STORE BUT ALSO THEY’RE GOING TO YOU KNOW PAPER PRODUCTS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT THE BBB PUT IT TO YOU THIS WAY DO YOU KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF FOOD; IT IS NOT PACKAGED WITH SOME SORT OF THESE CHEMICALS.>>MISTER CHAIRMAN I THINK THAT THAT IS SIMILAR THE FIRST QUESTION THAT I ASKED WHERE NOT WHERE THE SENATE GOING TO PEE.>>BUT THIS COMING SO SO THEN EXCUSE ME MISTER THEY’RE THAT AGAIN THE QUESTION COMES UP ORTIZ START AND YOU KNOW YOU’RE TALKING PENALTIES. HE HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT WHAT PENALTIES ARE GOING TO BE A.>>AND FOR A COMMANDING. MISTER MEMBERS I THINK WE’RE. AFTER A LOOK AT THE ENFORCEMENT CASES ON THAT. CASE BY CASE BASIS OF COURSE AS WE LOOK AT THINGS BUT THIS WOULD BE FRONT PAGE AMENDMENT INTO THE PRODUCT LEE AND I THINK THAT’S WHERE WE START TO DRAW A LINE OF YOU KNOW IT’S BEING INTENSELY PUT THERE AND THERE’S A BAN ON THAT AND IT’S NO LONGER SUPPOSED TO BE THERE THEN WE WOULD START TAKING A LOOK AT THAT AS I MENTIONED IN THE TEST; I’M ONLY WE’VE GOT IT A WAY TO LOOK AT THINGS IN THE BACK AND THAT IS IN THE DISPOSAL AND THE THING. AND THAT’S WHERE WE’RE FINDING AND SO WE CAN START TO GO OUT SCREAMING LIKELY CONTRIBUTORS TO AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND LOOK AT MATERIALS PACKAGING AND SO FORTH THERE IS YOU KNOW AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE IT EXISTS IN DIFFERENT KINDS OF PACKAGING SO FORTH AND THAT SURE THE PERCENTAGES THAT ARE OUT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME OF PRODUCTS THAT ARE MENTIONED CONTAIN THAT WE LOOK AT OUR COMPOSTABLE SERVICE WHERE AS PART OF OUR LOOK IN TERMS OF PROVIDING A NO INCENTIVES TO DO COMPOSTING AND EVEN IN LOOKING AT THAT WE FOUND IN THE COMPOSED TUMBLE SERVICE WHERE AND HAD TO TAKE OUR STATE CONTRACT FOR CONSIDERATION UNLESS IT COULD NOT BE IN THERE. WE DIDN’T WANT TO ADD CONTINUALLY TO THAT YOU KNOW ISSUE FOR TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING AND YOU CAN’T USE THE PRODUCT THERE HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES WITH THE CONTACT WATER OTHER THING.>>THE ANOTHER QUESTION UM YOU KNOW WAS READING THROUGH THE BILL. IT DOESN’T REALLY SPECIFY ANYTHING EXCEPT FOR FOOD PACKAGING SO MIKE RAPOPORT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP. SO LET’S SUPPOSE THAT GET A DIFFERENT BAG TO STICK IN THE MARK WITH A DOESN’T CONTAIN THIS.>>WHAT ABOUT THE BOX THAT IT COMES TO THE STORE AND IS THAT ALSO INCLUDED IN THIS BECAUSE THE BILL DOESN’T REALLY SPECIFY THAT SO WE GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF MICROWAVE POPCORN AND BAGS AND IS PUT INTO ANOTHER BOX CARDBOARD BOX IS THAT ALSO SOMETHING WOULD THE CLASSIFIED UNDER A U UH ISSUING PENALTIES FOR.>>MISTER CHAIR I DEFER TO THE OUT THERE IN TERMS OF THE INTENT OF THE EXTENT OF THAT AND WE’RE JUST LOOKING AT THE BILL DEALING WITH FOOD PACKAGING AND CONTACT WITH FOOD SO AND IF I MAY ADD REGION GREEN OF IS PALER DESERVE THEM HISTORY ON THIS OTHER STATES HAVE LOOKED INTO THIS THAT YOU’RE WORTH.>>MISTER CHAIRMAN MEMBERS S IS ALREADY. MENTIONS ARE THERE ARE A FEW OTHER STATES HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS THE DEFINITION THESE ARE SIMILAR TO THAT. THOSE THAT ARE USED IN MAINE; I YOU KNOW I DON’T KNOW WHAT THE INTENT OF THE AUTHOR IS; BUT I DON’T BELIEVE YOU KNOW; I’LL PAY PACKAGING WOULD BE SUBJECT TO IT BUT AS FAR AS LIKE. SOME PACKAGING I THINK WOULD BE EVEN IF IT DOES NOT HAVE. DIRECT CONTACT WITH LITTLE LITTLE BIT OF TO DO OTHER DID GIVE A A. COMMENT ON THIS PLEASE THEM. CLINTON; YES REPRESENTATIVE DEAN. THE FOOD PACKETS PART IS JUST THAT TO BE THE PERSON TO HAVE CONTACT. THERE ARE SOME OTHER DEFINITIONS OF WHAT THE PACKAGE THE KEY COMPONENTS TO EAT CAN BE BUT BANNING THE PAST 5. ACTUALLY ISN’T CUT. JUST THE SECOND TIME ONE MORE QUESTION.>>AND IT MAY BE IN THE BILL AND I MISSED IT. THIS JUST SAYS ANY FOOD THAT IS TO SOLD IN MINNESOTA. WHAT ABOUT STUFF THAT COMES ACROSS THE BORDER; HOW WOULD YOU ENFORCE THAT YOU JUST STOP ANYTHING COMING ACROSS INTO MINNESOTA THAT THAT MAY BE PACKAGED.>>MISTER CHAIRMAN LANGUAGES FIRST FOR FOOD PACKAGING SOLD IN MINNESOTA AND SO THAT’S WHERE WE WOULD START. I’M LOOKING AT THAT TOO. THE TALK ABOUT THE FOOD PACKAGE AND THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DEFINITIONS AND RESPECTFULLY TO THE AUTHOR. COMMENT THAT IT’S JUST A PACKAGING MATERIALS IN CONTACT WITH THE FOOD LOOKS TO ME LIKE. SOMETHING HIM OR POPCORN SOMEPLACE AND WHO KNOWS WHERE WHERE YOU PUT IT INTO SOME. CARDBOARD BOXES. THAT’S IN LINE 1.1 4. OR DID PUT INTO A SHIPPING CONTAINER THAT ONLINE 1.1 3. AND IF YOU SOME NEXT YEAR YOU’RE BLOCKING TO HOLD A SHIPPING CONTAINER IN PLAY PLAY STREET GOT SOME BRACING OR YOU PUT SOME WEATHER PROOFING OVER THERE. CONTAINER OR SOME STRAPS AND SOME CLOSURES. THAT’S ALL WE DEFINITIONS. SO. AGAIN I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PPS TOUGH TO GET THAT. BUT ANYTHING THAT ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪>>I’M>>GOING TO GET A COMMITTEE. UNDER WAY HERE. THE ALICE TAN AND A WITH A HAD A REQUEST TO. OF 5; 3; 3; 6; 3; 8; AND THAT BILL FIRST ON OUR AGENDA TODAY AND A. WE’LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT BILL. I THINK WE HAVE A CHANCE AT THAT ABLE TO WELCOME AND PLEASE TELL US ABOUT YOUR BILL.>>THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR AND MEMBERS THING ME UP.>>THE MEDIA TO DO WITH MY LEG IT FOR ME FOR NOT SO. I’M GOING TO I’M GOING TO MOVE HOUSE FILE 3; 3; 6; 3; TO BE IN FRONT OF US AND THAT BE ASKED TO LEAVE. RE REFERRED TO THE GENERAL REGISTER.>>MISTER CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE HAS FIRED 2; 3; 6; 3; IS A SIMPLE BILL THAT WOULD REMOVE THAT CURRENT REQUIREMENT THAT SNOWMOBILES BE REGISTERED WHEN THEY’RE BEING TRANSPORTED; IT’S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS FOR OPERATION WOULD STAY THE SAME. THIS BILL WAS BROUGHT TO YOU BY A CONSTITUENT AND AFTER LOOKING AT THE STATUE I AGREE WITH HIM THAT THIS REQUIREMENT IS A LITTLE ONEROUS AND UNNECESSARY. THE STATE OF MINNESOTA DOESN’T TREAT OTHER VEHICLES THIS WAY NOT BOATS NOT JET SKIS NOT ATV’S AND MOREOVER AS I DID MY RESEARCH I COULDN’T FIND THE JUSTIFICATION FOR WHY IT WAS PUT INTO EFFECT IN THE FIRST AS I DID MY RESEARCH TO I WAS ASKING FOR THE RATIONALE WHY WE WOULD DO THAT AND WE WERE COMING UP WITH THE NO ANSWER NOBODY COULD REALLY ARTICULATE WHY WE’RE DOING WHAT WE’RE DOING AND BECAUSE OF THAT I WONDER IF WE CAN START TO COLLATE WHY WE’RE DOING WHAT WE’RE DOING MAYBE WE SHOULDN’T BE DOING IT. THIS LAW IS LARGELY IN FORCED AND UNFORCED EXCUSE ME IN FACT IT’S IN FOR SO LITTLE WE CAN’T EVEN PUT A DOLLAR FIGURE ON THE REPEAL OF IT BUT SIMPLY DOESN’T MAKE ANY SENSE ANY LONGER TO REQUIRE SOMEONE TO REGISTER A SLED JUST SO THEY CAN LOADED ON A TRAILER AND BRING IT TO A SCRAP YARD WHERE PART SO I’M NOT SURE THAT IT’S REALLY SERVING ANY LEGITIMATE PURPOSE PUBLICLY ANYMORE. WHEN WE FIND MOST OUTDATED OBSOLETE AND UNNECESSARY WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO REMOVE THEM. HOUSE FIRE 3; 3; 6; 3; IS ONE OF THESE BILLS I ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT TODAY AND WILL THINK THIS BILL AMONG.>>THANK YOU AN A I BELIEVE WE HAVE THE AT LEAST ONE PAST THE FIRE ON THE DOUG FRANZEN. PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD PROCEED.>>MISTER CHAIRMAN MEMBERS MY NAME IS DOUG FRANZEN AND I REPRESENT THE MINNESOTA UNITED SNOWMOBILERS ASSOCIATION. OUR EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MET. OVER THE WEEKEND. ON A DIVIDED VOTE EXPRESSED SOME CONCERNS AND THIS BILL. FORTUNATELY REPRESENT US ANSTEAD REACHED OUT TO US. WE’VE HAD SOME STRONG CONVERSATIONS. SHE’S AND LITTLE TOO CONVINCING FOR MY SHE’S PROMISED THAT.>>THERE ARE WAYS AND WE AGREE THAT THERE ARE WAYS TO ADDRESS OUR CONCERNS AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS WITHOUT VIOLATING. BUT REPRESENTATIVE STANSTED WANTS TO DO SO WE YOU A DEBT OF GRATITUDE SO THANK YOU REPRESENTATIVE AND OUR CONCERNS WERE BASICALLY A REGISTRATION SYSTEM. THAT WE WERE LOSING REGISTRATIONS AND IT’S NOT THAT LESS PEOPLE OR SNOWMOBILING. BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE OTHER ISSUES THAT ARE LARGE. RELATE TO THE LOSS OF OUR REGISTRATION. ONE OF THEM AND I HAVE SHARED THIS WITH COLONEL SMITH IS UNREGISTERED SLEDS ARE READING ON OUR STATE AND GRANT MADE TRAILS AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE ENFORCEMENT STEPPED UP. WERE ACTUALLY IF YOU ARE VIOLATING THE LAW IF YOU ARE USING THIS RESOURCE THAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE PAYING FOR. YOU SHOULD PAY YOUR FAIR SHARE. THE OTHER PIECES I BELIEVE BEEN ADDRESSED. OR AT LEAST BEING LOOKED AT BY REPRESENTATIVE EKLAND. PROBABLY NOT FOR THIS YEAR; BUT NEXT YEAR. WE’RE GOING TO LOSE THIS YEAR ABOUT 40;000 REGISTRATIONS. BECAUSE OF THE ANTIQUE OR THE LAW CURRENTLY ON THE BOOKS. AND THESE ARE SAY 1995 COOL AIR SAYS THERE’S A LOT OF THEM OUT THERE BY LAW THEY WILL NO LONGER NEED TO BE REGISTERED TO RIGHT ON A SNOWMOBILE TRAIL NOW THERE’S LIMITED. WINDOW FOR THAT; BUT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT SO AFTER REPRESENTS US CENTS AT SPOKE WITH ME I REALIZE WE HAVE LARGER PROBLEMS THEN ANY LOSS OF REGISTRATION AND FRANKLY I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF ANYONE EVER GETTING A TICKET. AS PART OF THE SNOWMOBILE WITHOUT REGISTRATION STICKER. SO WITH THAT WE’RE STUDIOUSLY NEUTRAL. AND>>AS TO HIS OR ANYONE ELSE AND THE AUDIENCE TO LOOK IN TO TESTIFY. HE MIGHT MOVE QUESTION MEMBERS RESEMBLE IT.>>THANK YOU MISS SHARON THAT THE THANK YOU REPRESENTATIVE A SENSE THAT JUST GOT A COMMENT LOOKS TO ME LIKE A GOOD BILL GOT TO GET ON OUT OF HERE AND THE PROCESS IT. THANK YOU MISTER I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR COLONEL SMITH. I BECOME DOWN PLEASE.>>WELCOME CAROL SMITH THEM PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF.>>COLONEL RODMAN SMITH DIRECTOR OF ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT NATURAL RESOURCES.>>THE BABY; THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR; FROM SMITH. REPRESENTS SANCHEZ SAID IN HER TESTIMONY THAT THIS IS LARGELY AN FORCED CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS I’M SURE THAT. PERCENT OF SENSE TO SAY THAT AS WELL THAT MISTER CHAIR; A REPRESENTATIVE FABIAN. THIS LAW WAS PUT INTO PLACE PRIOR TO ME BEING HIRED 1997. I ASKED WHY WE HAD THIS LONG. NO ONE CAN EVER TELL ME WHY I’M IT’S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE’VE WRITTEN. CITATIONS FOR A LONG TIME IT SEEMED TO BE. ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE IF YOU BUY A SNOW BILL THAT PAID A SWAP MEET. DO YOU REALLY WANT TO MAKE SOMEBODY BRING THAT SLED BACK HOME. THE PERSON TRYING TO SELL IT. THE NEW OWNER GOING TO REGISTER IT GOING GOOD AT PICKING IT UP AND DRIVE IT BACK AND SO I’M YES IT HAS BEEN LARGELY UNENFORCED AND IT’S SOMETHING THAT. DOESN’T REALLY MAKE SENSE AND SPRITE AND THE CHANGE. THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR AND THEN REPRESENTS SENSE IT ALSO CENTER TESTIMONY THAT YOU CAN’T FIND A RECORD UP IN A FORCEFUL ACTION TAKEN ON THIS IS THAT ACCURATE. MISTER CHAIR REPRESENTATIVE FEE A B AND WE DIDN’T FIND ANYTHING A RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS. THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR; SO YOU’RE JUST USING YOUR ENFORCEMENT DISCRETION OR WHATEVER TO NOT ENFORCE IS THAT ACCURATE. MISTER CHAIR REPRESENTATIVE I’M GUESSING THAT THERE ARE TIMES WHERE OFFICERS SEEN A SNOWMOBILE GO BY AND. IN THE SUMMERTIME AND THEY’RE JUST USING THEIR DISCRETION. YES; THANK YOU. ONE LAST THING MISTER RICH AND BIG MISTER FRANCE AND YOU SAID THAT THOSE ARE 1995. POLAIR SAYS I APPRECIATE THE SHOUT OUT; BUT I KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHER MANUFACTURER OF THE LETTERS SO THANK YOU THE THE NOTED. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS MEMBERS. RENEW MY MOTION.>>THAT TO POST 12 3; 3; 6; 3; THE HAS BEEN REFERRED TO THE GENERAL REGISTER. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE AYE OWES. GOING TO WE TAKE UP THE NEXT BILL ANNOUNCE THAT WE HAVE A FORM WITH AT A FORUM FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW I NEED TO SAY THAT AND AND I’VE GOT SOME MINUTES HERE. FROM. THE LAST MEETING FEBRUARY 9TH T 2020. IF ANYONE IS BARELY READ THE MINUTES UNPREPARED THE. BUT MISTER CHAIRMAN MISTER CHAIRMAN OF THE MINUTES. BECAUSE LOOK MOVED A MINUTE. IT JUST GOT WORSE ON FAVOR SAY AYE. OWES AN INTERPRETER. NEXT BILL AS A HOUSE ABOUT 3; 3; 7; 6; THE LAWS WILL IT FAIL. THE POPE VERY FULL UP YET. THE EVENT MAY CONTINUE TO MOVE THE>>YES; MISTER JERRY WOULD MOVE HOUSE FILE 3; 3; 7; 6; AND THAT IT BE PASSED AND REFERRED TO THE INFORMANT FINANCE COMMITTEE.>>THEY’RE A GOOD AND A. PLEASE TELL US ABOUT THEIR BILLS EVER>>THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. I’M HERE TODAY TO PRESENT 3 BILLS THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED AS A RESULT OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED THAT WATER GREMLIN OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST 13 THIS FIRST BILL THAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS FOR A BAN ON THE CHEMICAL TRY COURT CLARO ETHYLENE ALSO KNOWN AS T C E. BY VIEW OF PROBABLY HEARD ABOUT TO SEE AT THIS POINT THERE’S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT IT LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR WHEN THE TCE REPORT CAME OUT IN JANUARY. WE DID PASS A TCE BAN BILL OFF THE HOUSE FLOOR LAST YEAR THE BILL THAT WE’RE LOOKING AT TODAY IS SOMETHING THAT I ALONG WITH SENATOR CHAMBERLAIN COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND MPCA STAFF WORK DONE AFTER WE PASS A BILL TO MAKE THE LEGISLATION MORE IMPLEMENTABLE AND MORE ENFORCEMENT FOR THE AGENCY. THE LANGUAGE THAT MADE IT INTO THE OMNIBUS BILL IN THE SENATE LAST YEAR BUT FAILED TO MAKE IT INTO THE FINAL BUDGET LAST SESSION IS WHAT WE’RE WORKING FROM AND THE PIECE OF LEGISLATION THAT I’M PRESENTING TODAY IS ESSENTIALLY THAT LANGUAGE WITH SOME TWEAKS TO UPDATE THE TIMELINE AND TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE MPCA TO IMPLEMENT AND ENFORCE THIS BAN. JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THE BILL DOES AND THEN I I HAVE SOME TESTIMONY FROM SOME FOLKS WHO COULDN’T BE HERE TODAY AS THEY’RE STILL AT WORK THAT I WANT TO SHARE AS WELL. SO JUST A BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE BEGINNING IN JANUARY FIRST 2022 FACILITIES THAT HAVE AIR PERMITS WITH THE MPCA CANNOT USE THE CHEMICAL NYSE TCE IF THE FACILITY IS MORE TIME THERE IS SOME. SOME LANGUAGE IN THE BILL THAT ALLOWS AN EXTENSION TO BE GRANTED WITH CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES MET AND ON THE GIRL REALLY WITH THIS BILL IS TO TCE WITH LESS TOXIC CHEMICAL. WE KNOW THAT CAUSES CANCER; WE KNOW THAT IT HEART DEFECTS AND IT’S SOMETHING THAT IS VERY TOXIC AND SOMETHING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT LOOKED TO SEVERAL YEARS AGO DIDN’T FOLLOW THROUGH ON THAT; BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY HAD CONSIDERED SOMETHING THAT THEY WANTED TO DO. THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS IN THE BILL FOR COMPANIES THAT ARE USING TCE FOR EXAMPLE IN A CLOSED SYSTEM WHERE THEY’RE NOT ADMITTING ANYTHING THAT THEY’RE HOLDING UP AN ATTORNEY WITH TCE AND AS WELL AS HOSPITALS AND ACADEMIC MEDICAL FACILITIES WHO MAY USE IT IN THE WORK THAT THEY’RE DOING BUT AREN’T NECESSARILY EMITTING LARGE AMOUNTS IF ANY FROM THE FACILITY. SO THOSE ARE THOSE ARE THE GENERAL GUIDELINES I JUST WANT TO READ A COUPLE OF PIECES OF TESTIMONY FROM SOME FOLKS FROM THAT COMMUNITY THAT CAN BE HERE TODAY HAD WORK MEETINGS AT THE END OF THE DAY AND WERE ABLE TO MAKE IT. THE FIRST PIECE I THINK THIS IS IN YOUR PACKETS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNED CITIZENS GROUP WHICH IS WHITE THEIR AREA GROUP THAT WAS FORMED SHORTLY AFTER I’M KIND OF THE WATER IN THE NEWS BROKE IN JANUARY OF LAST YEAR. THE ANNIVERSARY OF THE MARCH FIRST 2019 STIPULATION AGREEMENT IS ALMOST HERE. WE LEARNED THEN THAT OUR FAMILIES AND NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN EXPOSED TO EXTREME LEVELS OF TCE POLLUTION. HOW EXTREME IN 2018 WATER GRAHAM AND SELF-REPORTED EMITTING 120 TONS OF TCE INTO INTO THE AIR AGAINST IN 1010 PER YEAR PERMIT. THEY HAD BEEN POLLUTING EXCESSIVELY FOR 15 PLUS YEARS PRIOR TO THAT. OUR COMMUNITY HAS BEEN TAKING ACTION ASKING FOR CHANGE AND DEMANDING ACCOUNTABILITY. WE HAVE LEARNED MANY THINGS ALONG THE WAY THAT US DOWN IT’S THE LIBRARY WAS NOT THE FIRST COMMUNITY IMPACTED BY TCE THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN AROUND FOR DECADES. TCE SOIL AND WATER POLLUTION HAS IMPACTED COMMUNITIES LIKE BAYPORT FRIENDLY ST. LOUIS PARK SOUTHEAST CONDO IN MINNEAPOLIS YOU DIANA; NEW BRIGHTON ARDEN HILLS IN OTHER COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE STATE. THESE COMMUNITIES ARE DEALING WITH THE EXPENSE OF MANAGING TCE IN THE SOIL AND WATER AND CITIZENS ARE DEALING WITH HEALTH ISSUES CAUSED BY TCE POLLUTION. IT IS POSSIBLE FOR COMPANIES TO MOVE AWAY FROM TCE SINCE WATER GRAHAM AND BECAME A NEWS STORY MEANT APP WHICH IS THE MINUTES OF THE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE PROJECT HAS RECEIVED A RECORD NUMBER OF CALLS FROM COMPANIES ASKING FOR HELP TO FIND OTHER COME CHEMICALS OR PROCESSES. ADDITIONALLY MANY MINNESOTA MANUFACTURERS HAVE PREVIOUSLY MOVED AWAY FROM TCE BECAUSE OF HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO MANAGE EVEN FOR THOSE WHO KNOW HOW. ANOTHER LESSON LEARNED IN PERSON INSPECTIONS ARE INFREQUENT. SELF REPORTING IS RELIED UPON IN THE CASE OF SERIAL OFFENDERS LIKE WATER RAMEN IT PUTS THE COMMUNITY WORKERS AND THE ENVIRONMENT AT RISK WHEN INSPECTORS DO NOT ACTUALLY HAVE EYES IN THE FACILITY AND DO NOT COMMUNICATE POSSIBLE CONCERNS WITH OTHER AGENCIES. IMPACTED CITIZENS ARE NOT CONSULTED AS A STAKEHOLDER IN LARGE PART OF THE PROCESS. THEY’RE NOT ONE WHEN INFORMATION COMES TO LIGHT AND THEY’RE NOT CONSULTED HAS AGREEMENTS WITH VENDORS ARE BEING MADE. THE WEAPON AREA COMMUNITY DID NOT WANT 1500 TREES PLANTED THAT WAS PART OF THE STIPULATION AGREEMENT; I’M BEING INCLUDING TREASON MY GOING GROUNDS WE LIKE TREES JUST FINE BUT NOT IN PLACE APART FINES FOR OFFENDERS. THE WATER GOING EXPERIENCE HAS EXPOSED THESE ISSUES AND OTHERS AND I’M SORRY TO SAY THESE ISSUES EXIST IN YOUR COMMUNITIES AS WELL. TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE FACT THAT THROUGH WATER GRAHAM AND WE HAVE LEARNED WHERE THE SYSTEM BREAKS DOWN AND WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THIS COMMON SENSE LEGISLATION IN YOUR COMMUNITIES WOULD BE TOO IF THEY HAD UNFORTUNATE OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN ALL THIS FIRSTHAND TO ASSESS MONAE IS KIND OF ABOUT THE BROAD PACKAGE; THE 3 BILLS ARE TALKING ABOUT I WANT TO READ ONE MORE SHORT PIECE A CONSTITUENT WHO LIVES IN THE COMMUNITY WHO WANTED TO ATTEND A TEAM THAT COULDN’T BE HERE. THIS IS ALSO IN YOUR PACKETS. I’M SORRY I COULDN’T GET HIM IN PERSON TODAY. MY NAME IS ANDREA WEST. I’M A MOTHER OF 2 YOUNG ADULTS; A WIFE AND A HOMEOWNER IN WHITE BEAR LAKE. MY HOME WHERE IS MY KIDS AND WHERE WAS LIVING WHEN I GOT DIAGNOSED TREATED AND SURVIVED CANCER IS IN THE AREA AROUND AROUND ONE A GUNMAN HAS BEEN SUBJECTED TO MORE THAN 15 YEARS OF EXCESSIVE EMISSIONS OF A TOXIC CHEMICAL TCE YOU ARE GOVERNMENT HAVE NOT MAJOR BUSINESSES FALLEN PERMANENT PERMITTED USES THE TCE AND IF NOT PROTECTED MY COMMUNITY FROM EXCESSIVE TOXIC TCE EMISSIONS. TOXIC CONTAMINATION IS NOT JUST A WAY TO A PROBLEM AND HIGH LEVELS OF TCE AIR WATER AND SOIL POLLUTION HAVE BEEN FOUND IN MANY COMMUNITIES AROUND MINNESOTA. SALA’S PARK IS THE LOCATION OF A NEW MPCA PLAN TO CREATE A SUPERFUND SITE TO THE ONGOING ISSUES OF TOXIC TCE VAPORS FROM CONTAMINATED GROUNDWATER AND SOIL VAPOR. WE HAVE ALSO HAD TO PAY MILLIONS TO MAKE SURE THEIR DRINKING WATER IS SAFE TO TURN TCE CONTAMINATION IN BAYPORT FRIENDLY DINAH AND OTHER COMMUNITIES. YOU ARE GOVERNMENT HAD NOT PROTECTED OTHER COMMUNITIES FROM EXCESSIVE TOXIC TCE EMISSIONS. THERE’S NOT A QUESTION OF TCE IS BAD FOR HUMAN HEALTH. TC HAS BEEN KNOWN TO BE DANGEROUS TO HUMANS SINCE AT LEAST 2001 ALMOST 20 YEARS AGO. STILL TCE CONTINUES TO BE USED BY BUSINESSES EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE SAFER ALTERNATIVES TO USE IN ITS PLACE. YOU ARE GOVERNMENT HAVE NOT PROVIDE ENOUGH INCENTIVES AND SUPPORT TO BUSINESSES TO ENCOURAGE USE OF SAFE ARE NONTOXIC ALTERNATIVES TO TOXIC TCE. I’M ASKING YOU TO PROTECT ME MY FAMILY; MY COMMUNITY MINNESOTA COMMUNITIES BY BANNING T C. I’M ASKING YOU NOT TO WAIT ANOTHER 20 YEARS TO BAN TCE WHEN WE KNOW THAT YOU SEE IS DANGEROUS TO HUMAN HEALTH AND IS COSTING A STATE LIVES AND MONEY BUT WE DO NOTHING I’M ASKING YOU TO BAN TCE NOW WITH HIS SUGGESTED END DATE TO USE OF TCE OF 1231 2021. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. I DO WANT TO JUST BRIEFLY THE FOLKS THAT WE HAVE WRITTEN TESTIMONY FROM TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT COMMUNITIES THAT ARE IMPACTED BY TCE OUTSIDE OF THE COMMUNITY MY DISTRICT IN AND I’M JUST WANTED TO READ THE LIST SEVERAL COMMUNITIES THAT SOME HAVE THAT I DIDN’T MENTION THAT ARE DEALING WITH TCE WATER CONTAMINATION AND ALLOW THOSE COMMUNITIES ARE HEADING TO PAY TO TREAT THEIR WATER SO THAT THEY DON’T HAVE A DEEP TEASE EATING CONSUMED. THOSE COMMUNITIES INCLUDE BAYPORT BAYTOWN TOWNSHIP NEW BRIGHTON FRIENDLY SPRING PARK ST. LOUIS PARK MEDINE A SPRING ROAD AND WAIT PARK. THERE ARE ALSO OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT ARE DEALING WITH SOIL AND INDOOR AIR POLLUTION AS WELL. SOME OF THOSE COMMUNITIES AND OTHERS ACROSS THE SO JUST WANT TO WRAP UP AND SAY. WE DID THIS LAST SESSION WE HAD GOOD BIPARTISAN SUPPORT THE HOUSE AND THIS BOOK REALLY WHAT THE GOAL IS TO MAKE PEOPLE INTO LAW BY THE AGENCY AND FORCIBLE SO THAT WHEN WE. GO OUT AND WANT TO BAN THIS WE ACTUALLY CAN DO IT SO THIS IS THE BILL THIS IS A LANGUAGE THAT WILL HELP US GET THAT DONE.>>REPRESENTED WAS WE HAVE SOME JUST THE FIRES. THAT HAVE SIGNED UP AARON. PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD PROCEED.>>MY NAME IS ERIN CLAIMS I’M THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AT THE MINNESOTA CENTER FOR ENVIRONMENTAL ADVOCACY. AND SEE A IS A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION FROM US 50 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE OF USING A LOT OF SCIENCE TO PROTECT MINNESOTA’S ENVIRONMENT. THE HEALTH OF ITS PEOPLE. REPRESENTATIVE WAS VICK’S AGENT 3; 3; 7; 6; BASES IT ENDED BUT ON THE USE OF A TOXIC CHEMICAL THAT IS ONE OF THE MOST PREVALENT POLLUTERS OF MINNESOTA AIR AND WATER. MCA STRONGLY SUPPORTS HF 3; 3; 7; 6; HE SEES TOXICITY IS NOT IN DOUBT SAFER ALTERNATIVES ARE AVAILABLE. AND THE ONGOING HARM TO MINNESOTANS FROM DECADES OF POLLUTION DEMAND THAT WE SET A FIRM END DATE FOR THE USE OF THIS CANCER CAUSING CHEMICAL IN MINNESOTA. TRACKER ATHLETE HAS BEEN WIDELY USED TO SUCH INCREASE OR AND A SOLVENT. BUT IT CAUSES CANCER EVEN AT VERY LOW LEVELS OF EXPOSURE AND THAT SCIENCE IS IRREFUTABLE. THIS COMMITTEE IS FAMILIAR WITH THE WATER GREMLIN CASE WHERE SURROUNDING RESIDENTS OF THE FACTORY PRE TOXIC LEVELS. POLLUTED AIR FOR 15 YEARS; BUT POLLUTION CONTROL EQUIPMENT FAILED IN THE COMPANY DID NOT FIX IT. ADDITIONAL WATER GREMLIN THOUGH THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER LARGE AIR EMISSION SOURCES THAT LEGALLY RELEASE THEIR PERMITS TCE INTO THE AIR EACH YEAR. MANY OF THESE FACILITIES ARE LOCATED AT HISTORICALLY OVERBURDENED AREAS THAT FACE MULTIPLE POLLUTION SOURCES WHO DID THE AIR THEY BREATHE. YOU MAY NOT BE AS FAMILIAR WITH TO SEE ITS IMPACT ON DRINKING WATER. BUT COMMUNITIES ACROSS MINNESOTA DEAL DAILY WITH THIS ISSUE. WITH THE CHALLENGE AND EXPENSE OF ADDRESSING THIS TCE CONTAMINATION OF THE DRINKING WATER. SO TO PROVIDE SAFE DRINKING WATER TO RESIDENTS. THEY HAVE TO PAY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO TREAT THIS. MY COMMUNITY AND FRANKLY IT’S ONE OF THE CITY’S MOST WELL WELL AS WELL AS THAT NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY OF THE BRIGHT IT’S BEEN A LONG TIME DECADES LONG PROCESS OF TRYING TO PROVIDE SAFE DRINKING WATER TO THE PLACE THAT I LIVE. BUT IT’S COST BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. EVEN THE AIR IN OUR HOMES AND BUSINESSES IT IS AT RISK FROM THIS POLLUTION BECAUSE TCU CONTAMINATED GROUND WATER. CAMP KERRY TCE VAPORS INTO BUILDINGS WHERE THEY CONCENTRATE UNSAFE LEVELS AND HARM PEOPLE’S HEALTH. THAT COULD HARM RESIDENTS AND WORKERS. IT JUST A FEW MONTHS SINCE THE MPCA HAS BEEN CONTACTING PERMITTED USES OF TCE ENCOURAGING THEM TO ADOPT LESS

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